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July 19, 2006

Lady In The Water

How does one critique Lady in the Water?

The movie is so steeped in so much stuff that has nothing to do with whether a movie is good, bad, or indifferent. There are, obviously, the other movies M. Night Shyamalan has made. And there is the book that tells the saga of the birth and production of the film, written by Michael Bamberger, but clearly loaded with Night's voice, that tells its readers more than anyone needs to know about the making of the film before the film is seen.

Thing is, I liked Lady in the Water more than I liked The Village. And to me, it was another variation on Signs… without the action and the movie star and, to its benefit, without the now-expected M. Night Shyamalan twist that shocked us all once and that we have been stuck waiting for ever since.

I had some sense of what the movie would be like when I walked into the theater Monday night. More than I wanted to have. But the truth is, I still had no idea what to expect. And the movie surprised me. The Ful Review

Posted by poland at July 19, 2006 10:07 AM

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He tries to make a bedtime story "real" and in the process creates something more artificial than any fairy tale.

The whole film comes off as equal parts misguided ideas, unrestrained self-love and sour grapes. The character of The Writer is so transparent it would be disturbingly narcissistic even if it wasn't played by Night himself.

Giamatti works as hard as anybody ever has, but every other member of the exceptionally talented cast is waisted. He put Bill Irwin in a role where he doesn't even move, fer cryin' out loud.

It's a really pretty poster, though.

Posted by: MattMcD [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 19, 2006 10:27 AM

Any prediction on the opening numbers? People seem to think it will have a big opening because of Night's name, but I have a bad feeling it's going to bomb -- like open with, I don't know, 15 mil or so. What do you think, DP? What's it tracking at?

Thanks.

Posted by: MASON [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 19, 2006 11:25 AM

I thought it was tracking in the mid- to high-20s. I don't think that qualifies as a "bomb", but anything under $30 million would have to be considered a disappointment, IMHO... assuming that its legs aren't going to be great.

Posted by: Telemachos [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 19, 2006 11:51 AM

Sounds very confusing, not a good thing. I'm glad to hear that Shyamalan has stopped going for the expected surprised twist ending.

Posted by: ployp [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 19, 2006 12:18 PM

With four openings, this weekend is going to be a tracking fiasco. But it's doing ok... I agree that it will underperform the normal expectations... but $15m would be a surprise.

(Is this Suprise Week or what?!?!?! I feel like I am writng that word every 3 minutes.)

Posted by: David Poland [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 19, 2006 12:36 PM

For all its faults (and there are plenty), LADY is intoxicating. I can't stop thinking about all of the things I loved about it ... most of which trace back to Giamatti.

I openly acknowledge the film's problems, but I still found a lot to like.

Posted by: TMJ [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 19, 2006 12:40 PM

"Fuck M. Night Shamylan. Fuck him up his stupid ass."

Sorry. With all the Kevin Smith writings going on today, and with the above quote being the feeling of sentiment towards Night - just had an uncontrollable urge to post that.

Posted by: THX5334 [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 19, 2006 12:47 PM

LITW is running 10% at Rotten Tomatoes right now... and some of the reviews are truly vitriolic.

If this keeps up I might start feeling sorry for Night.

Posted by: Telemachos [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 19, 2006 03:49 PM

I left the screening of this film a bit confused as well. I didn't hate it, but I really can't say that I liked it. I may have to see it again. I can tell you that this film will not find much mainstream success. It may gross $25-$30 mil on opening weekend, but I'll be shocked if it makes over $75 mil total.

Posted by: martindale [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 19, 2006 04:21 PM

I have a feeling this movie could be CITIZEN KANE 2 and it will get ripped apart at the seems. Hollywood brings you up. Takes you down.

Welcome to the game, M Night.

Posted by: Richard Nash [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 19, 2006 04:48 PM

Agreed, Nash... but Night has played the game awfully well for a long time already....

Posted by: David Poland [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 19, 2006 05:18 PM

We all know critics can be petty, but they also don't go after a target unless they're pretty confident of its weakness, and this movie looks pretty weak.

Posted by: jeffmcm [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 19, 2006 05:34 PM

I know I’m in the minority, but I really liked this movie. I bought into it almost from the beginning (this took me by surprise since, with all the negative advance word I was expecting to be miserable).

There's no question the movie makes up its own rules as it goes along (because of this I think, more than any other Shyamalan film, one is either going to be on board completely, or not at all) and the end is a bit abrupt, but like TMJ said, it’s intoxicating.

One more thing: The score is fantastic. Arguably the best of the year so far. No matter what I've thought of any individual Shyamalan film, each one has been helped immeasurably by James Newton Howard. I'm a little surprised critics haven't mentioned this..or is that because they completely disagree? I’m starting to think that Night/JNH collaborations (regardless of the quality of the film) is in the premier Spielberg/Williams or Burton/Elfman club.

Posted by: Eddie [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 19, 2006 07:52 PM

It's true that, regardless of the crappy quality of Shyamalan's scripts, that his movies are always extremely well-crafted, thanks to Howard and to his various cinematographers.

Posted by: jeffmcm [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 19, 2006 07:55 PM

The comparison Night probably was looking for is Hitchcock/Herrmann. Howard's scores play with those darker ambiguous harmonies that were Herrmann's signature, and Night's films naturally set themselves up for that type of horror/mystery scoring. For example, the Signs opening theme is all Herrmann.

Posted by: palmtree [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 19, 2006 07:58 PM

Everyone's wrong but me... Plus about 200 people who saw the movie at the same time tonight.

Folks laughed, jumped in their seats, cried... No one works an audience like Shyamalan does.

My favorite movie of the year so far is Soderbergh's BUBBLE, the most anti-commercial flick there is.

But there is something to be said about crowd-pleasing films. People fucking clapped during LADY IN THE WATER tonight, and I gladly joined in.

This is E.T. with grown-ups, LOTR in the real world.

I'm a critic, and I still wonder what the hell critics are thinking!

Posted by: Goulet [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 19, 2006 11:29 PM

Porn movies are pretty good at 'working the audience' too.

Posted by: jeffmcm [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 20, 2006 12:32 AM

The Rotten Tomatoes CotC rating is a flatlined 0% right now. I wonder how long that will hold out?

I still might catch this at some point. I find Night incredibly irritating is his extreme earnestness but SIGNS is the only one of his film that has truly disappointed me and even that one had some good elements.

Posted by: Krazy Eyes [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 20, 2006 06:59 AM

I love it when people insist that the audience they saw it with cheered and clapped and laughed and couldn't possibly have enjoyed the movie more. And not just a few people, but the entire theater. Does anyone really buy that? Does it change anyone's mind?

Posted by: Stella's Boy [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 20, 2006 07:03 AM

Goulet, your review at Rotten Tomatoes is the single shining exception -- even the other positive ones are somewhat muted in their praise. Perhaps Night should hire your audience to help fill theaters around the country this weekend, to goose the rest of the crowd.

Posted by: Telemachos [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 20, 2006 10:20 AM

Stella, I never believe people when they say they entire audiences clapped and cheered after a movie such as this. The only movie I've been to where large parts of the audience clapped was Moulin Rouge! on opening night and Return of the King after a cinema marathon involving all three films - and they're movies that lend themselves to that sort of feverish reaction.

I believe people even less when they say audiences clapped and cheered at TRAILERS.

This ain't Cannes we're talking about.

Posted by: KamikazeCamelV2.0 [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 20, 2006 09:23 PM

People DO clap and cheer at trailers--especially the ones I make! :-)

Posted by: Cadavra [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 21, 2006 10:46 AM

Yeah, the clapping/applause might be more prevalent in SoCal, but just last weekend (for example) at a screening of P2, the audience cheered, laughed, and clapped for the Snakes on a Plane trailer. It wasn't an amazingly loud LOTR/SW fanboy response, but I'd say a good portion of the audience joined in.

Posted by: Telemachos [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 21, 2006 12:01 PM

I've seen applause at the end of a movie, but never cheering. Cheering is for sporting events and rock concerts.

Posted by: Wrecktum [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 21, 2006 12:14 PM

Well Wrecktum I have seen cheering (and ok I Admit i did it too) at the end of This Is SPinal Pap.

Well it was the first time I saw it on the big screen...too young for its first run.

We pretended like it was a concert.

Posted by: Lota [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 21, 2006 04:22 PM

There was some scattered applause at the Transformers trailer I saw last week. That sure took me by surprise.

Posted by: Eric [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 21, 2006 04:50 PM

Okay "scattered applause" I can sort've believe, but what about that other dude who said the entire cinema was hootin' and hollerin' at the teaser? Gimme a break.

Posted by: KamikazeCamelV2.0 [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 22, 2006 12:06 AM

When I saw The Hulk teaser, the whole theater erupted. And during the original Spider-Man teaser too--when it's revealed that the bank robbers chopper has been caught in a giant web, the crowd went crazy.

Off the point, but that was one of the best teaser's ever made. I wish they released it on the DVD.

Posted by: Eddie [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 22, 2006 09:01 AM

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