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July 13, 2006
Poseidon Suffers Another Loss
The great Red Buttons is dead at 87. Another reason to watch the original The Poseidon Adventure.
Who is getting up there who you will be most upset to see go?
Posted by poland at July 13, 2006 04:19 PM
Comments
Lindsay Lohan.
Posted by: Jeremy Smith
at July 13, 2006 05:04 PM
Elizabeth Taylor
Posted by: adorian
at July 13, 2006 05:16 PM
Jeffrey Wells.
(Hope he can take a joke...)
Posted by: Kristopher Tapley
at July 13, 2006 05:56 PM
The joke is, nobody will be upset.
Ha!
Posted by: jeffmcm
at July 13, 2006 05:58 PM
Roger Ebert
Posted by: abba_70s
at July 13, 2006 06:25 PM
LOL!!! Lindsay Lohan...I don't care who you are; that's funny!
That's one of the best first posts I've read anywhere in a long time...still LOL!
Posted by: Eric N
at July 13, 2006 06:38 PM
I'd say To Hell with movie stars but I wouldn't even wish that on the Devil himself!
actors & director:
I think I'd be most upset about Harry Dean Stanton. I want him to live be as old as the sea, but he won't. Neither will Jules Dassin or Jeanne Moreau, my favorite actress, or the man himself, sidney Poitier.
I also want Nick Cave to live forever. and the Boards of Canada.
Posted by: Lota
at July 13, 2006 07:01 PM
I'm amazed that Dassin is still around. Not as amazed as I am about Keith Richards, but still.
Ray Harryhausen.
Posted by: jeffmcm
at July 13, 2006 07:03 PM
Kurt Vonnegut.
Posted by: mutinyco
at July 13, 2006 07:06 PM
Robert Altman.
Posted by: mutinyco
at July 13, 2006 07:06 PM
Clint Eastwood.
I cannot say how much of an influence he has been on me and my career.
A know he is not that old yet also but I noticed today is Harrison Ford's birthday at 64. Not that old...but when he goes a whole generation will feel it.
Guaranteed.
Posted by: Nicol D
at July 13, 2006 07:29 PM
John Williams.
Posted by: palmtree
at July 13, 2006 07:36 PM
Palmtree,
You are so right.
The soundtrack to a generation.
Posted by: Nicol D
at July 13, 2006 07:43 PM
Peter O'Toole; Olivia de Havilland (she turned 90 July 1st)
Posted by: wolfgang
at July 13, 2006 07:53 PM
Nicol, are you a cowboy-turned-mayor?
Peter O'Toole for sure.
Another one: Lauren Bacall.
Posted by: jeffmcm
at July 13, 2006 08:03 PM
Jeff,
No, but I do like to eat ice cream on the sidewalk:)
Posted by: Nicol D
at July 13, 2006 08:17 PM
Paul Newman, definitely.
Posted by: Eddie
at July 13, 2006 08:19 PM
You've bested me, Nicol, I have no idea what you're talking about.
Posted by: jeffmcm
at July 13, 2006 08:28 PM
Jeff,
When Clint first became mayor or Carmel CA in the eighties there was an ordinance saying that you could not eat ice-cream cones on public sidewalks because of the mess they made.
The first act he did as mayor was to repeal the ordinance.
Clint's the man!
Posted by: Nicol D
at July 13, 2006 08:32 PM
Michael Caine: In a class by himself.
Also -- just naming folks who haven't yet been named -- Sidney Lumet, Albert Finney, Andrew Sarris and Stanley Kauffmann.
Posted by: Joe Leydon
at July 13, 2006 08:49 PM
Sean Connery.
Posted by: palmtree
at July 13, 2006 08:51 PM
Thanks, Nicol.
I'll throw out a more obscure film composer too...Leonard Rosenman. He started with East of Eden and Rebel Without a Cause (he taught James Dean piano), won an Oscar for Barry Lyndon, and did Star Trek IV.
Posted by: palmtree
at July 13, 2006 08:56 PM
Jack Nicholson, man! How could we survive a world with no Jack Nicholson!!
Posted by: Wrecktum
at July 13, 2006 09:07 PM
I remember just a decade ago we still had with us Bob Hope, Gregory Peck, Jimmy Stewart, Gene Kelly, Frank Sinatra...the last generation of true Hollywood legends from the studio era.
Not many are left. Bacall. Shirley Temple. Liz Taylor. We've basically closed the book.
Posted by: Wrecktum
at July 13, 2006 09:23 PM
There's basically a whole lotta people that it will be sad to see them go. Probably, more than anyone, people such as Robert Altman, Clint Eastwood, Milos Forman (I totally stole those names from that article at MCN) because they are still out there making quality movies. Other people such as Paul Newman and Elizabeth Taylor (who gave probably my favourite duet performance ever in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof) are so incredibly talented and provided us with so much, it will be sad when they're gone. I hope Newman gets to make his last Newman/Redford picture.
Posted by: KamikazeCamelV2.0
at July 13, 2006 09:23 PM
Maggie Smith is getting up there
hate to say it but hopefully she lives to see Potter 7
Posted by: Sharpel007
at July 13, 2006 09:47 PM
Steven Spielberg and Martin Scorsese.
Jack's a given, but how about Pacino and DeNiro? I keep hoping those two do something brilliant again. Even together. But in the opposite direction of Heat (and no comedy!).
Definitely gotta agree with John Williams...the list of films that have probably received more love than they deserved because of his scores is too long to count.
And if he keeps his crazy antics up, I will be sad to see the day when the greatest one man show kicks it off - of course I speak of the inconquerable Thomas Mapother Cruise.
Posted by: Aladdin Sane
at July 13, 2006 10:45 PM
Two years ago I saw Williams conduct the Cleveland Symphony at Blossom (thier outdoor space in the middle of the woods) threw all his best film work, a smile has never been on my face for so long, not to mention he came back for 3 encores and tha applause at the end lasted nearly 15 minutes.
(by the way Devin's review of the Fountain is up at CHUD, and it looks like we have our next Kubrick)
Posted by: Sharpel007
at July 13, 2006 11:11 PM
For me it was the Hollywood Bowl. Feel a little sorry for the guy having to conduct his greatest hits ad nauseum (it's said that every great composer always hates the piece that made him/her famous for that reason). Got to see him rehearse and snuck onto the stage to shake his hand only to freeze up. He looked straight at me and I was totally starstruck. Then he left.
Posted by: palmtree
at July 13, 2006 11:48 PM
Hes John Williams not Jimmy Buffett
Much bigger collection of popular work, not all of it film work, not to mention conducting the classics 20 or so years as well in Boston.
He rarely does film retrospectives except for that one tour, and that had very few shows, as he only worked with the best symphonies and any good guest conducter will spend at least a week in warm ups.
Posted by: Sharpel007
at July 14, 2006 12:09 AM
Williams conducts his greatest hits every year at the Hollywood Bowl. Someone always brings a lightsaber during the Star Wars theme. This has been going on for at least 15 years. None of those concerts have gone outside of light classical works and film music (not necessarily his own). For one encore, he conducted his Star Wars intro music that he even said was not rehearsed. And even if he plays his more obscure film music (he played The Reivers once as I recall), everyone is waiting for the encores...and he does them dutifully.
Btw, he conducted the Boston Pops, not the Symphony...there's a difference.
Posted by: palmtree
at July 14, 2006 12:23 AM
I know he does the Bowl every year, but thats only once a year, outside the LA gig he rarely touches the film stuff. and as any classical nut will tell you each orchetra and each venue change a piece drastically. The last time he conducted the Cleveland Orchestra was 16 years prior to that, and no offense to LA but thier not on the same plane as the CSO.
Yes I know he conducted the Pops, and yes I know what that means, but he incorparated alot of stuff a normal US pops orchestra would not play, hence his legendarty status and a conductor, along with his composing skills.
turned 74 in Feb.
Posted by: Sharpel007
at July 14, 2006 12:49 AM
And Steven Spielberg still calls him "Johnny" Williams in public.
Posted by: jeffmcm
at July 14, 2006 12:57 AM
Clint Eastwood, for sure. Although he keeps himself in such incredible shape (his mother made it to 96) that he's possibly the only 76 year old around for whom thoughts of death seem out of place. Nevertheless, there is such widespread affection for Eastwood that when it does finally happen I think the public grief will be unprecedented.
Added to that, Sean Connery, Paul Newman and Michael Caine. All much liked actors whose loss will be strongly felt, not least by me.
Damn, this is a depressing topic ...
Posted by: Dave
at July 14, 2006 02:15 AM
Gene Hackman.
Posted by: Spacesheik
at July 14, 2006 04:19 AM
"no offense to LA but thier not on the same plane as the CSO."
Maybe back in '85 but today the LA Phil is one of the top orchestras in the country, rivaling the tired old "big five" in terms of musicianship, cunducting, programs and certainly concert house.
Posted by: Wrecktum
at July 14, 2006 08:16 AM
^ That should be "conducting." Somehow the way I spelled it above seems a bit naughty.
Posted by: Wrecktum
at July 14, 2006 08:21 AM
Morgan Freeman - I will admit that I get choked up every time I watch Shawshank. If Morgan was gone, it'd only make it all the worse.
Anthony Hopkins - For a stretch there he was the finest actor working.
Shirley Maclaine - I still have a crush on her from The Apartment. Losing Jack Lemmon hurt; losing her, too would scar.
Posted by: Me
at July 14, 2006 08:35 AM
"outside the LA gig he rarely touches the film stuff."
You mean that and composing major film scores every year, right? Last year I count Munich, Memoirs of a Geisha, War of the Worlds, and Star Wars III.
"no offense to LA but thier not on the same plane as the CSO"
The LA Phil is catching up if it hasn't already caught up (you don't have a record deal with Sony Classical unless you can play). And Walt Disney Concert Hall is one of the best acoustically. Incidentally, Williams composed the little ditty that tells people to go to their seats over the PA system.
Posted by: palmtree
at July 14, 2006 09:13 AM
Anyways.....Sharpel, I think you took my original comment the wrong way. I was celebrating the man...people only remember the BIG themes he's done (some are probably even forgetting them) even though his work is so varied. Among my faves: Jaws fugue, Motorcyle music from Crusade, and his long-ass cue at the end of E.T. Azkaban was his best score in years.
Back to our programming....
Army Archerd.
Posted by: palmtree
at July 14, 2006 09:51 AM
Gotta throw in Richard Widmark. And those of us of a certain age will truly take it badly when Jerry Lewis goes. (Hell, I still can't believe Carson's gone.)
Posted by: Cadavra
at July 14, 2006 10:40 AM
I'll be sad to see Jerry Lewis (80 yrs old) go, if only for his tremendous fundraising work. (Oops, I just noticed Cadavra mentioned him).
We've already lost Bones and Scotty; Kirk and Spock are both 75 yrs old.
OH, I just thought of a huge one: Dick Van Dyke (age 80).
Posted by: mysteryperfecta
at July 14, 2006 11:10 AM
Mickey Rooney...Van Dyke's costar in A Night At the Museum.
Posted by: Wrecktum
at July 14, 2006 11:18 AM
Christopher Lee
Posted by: Crow T Robot
at July 14, 2006 11:32 AM
Paul Newman - when he leaves us it will truly be an end of an era. Never has a guy been so great in so many movies.
Woody Allen - for sure.
John Williams - the man is a living legend. Every time Spielberg and Lucas accept any away they should acknowledge that they owe their careers to Williams. His score is the glue to many of there movies, especially the early ones.
Roger Deakins - he's not that old, but you never know in this world.
Posted by: Hopscotch
at July 14, 2006 11:48 AM
Oh, and Robert Duvall. I'd say him and Newman are the best of older generation of actors.
Lonesome Dove is kind of like The Bible in my family; often quote and often lectured. His performance in that is one of the all time greats.
Posted by: Hopscotch
at July 14, 2006 11:54 AM
Sorry, Sorry...one more.
William Goldman. Sure he can be pompous. But the man's writings mean a lot to me, and I don't think I'm alone on that.
Posted by: Hopscotch
at July 14, 2006 11:55 AM
Ridley Scott -- he appears to be in good health, thank God, but he turns 69 this year.
(I think he'd live longer if he stopped working with Russell Crowe.)
Posted by: Lynn
at July 14, 2006 12:03 PM
I say this one not in jest:
Jackie Chan.
He's had so many bang ups over the years that are adding up and he recently lost it in a very public way: http://www.kaijushakedown.com/2006/07/jackie_drunk_jo.html
Posted by: palmtree
at July 14, 2006 12:16 PM
Shame on me for not remembering to mention earlier: James Garner. One of the most likeable, if not beloved, actors of his generation, with much cross-generational appeal thanks to his many movies and TV series. I would really be curious to see how many folks he drew out of their homes and into theaters to see "The Notebook" and "Divine Secrets of Ya-Ya Sisterhood." With all due respect to the nominal stars of those films, Garner has a fan base that cannot be underestimated.
Also: Robert Vaughn (the last of the "Magnificent Seven") and Mel Brooks.
And of course there's Ingmar Bergman, Jean-Luc Godard and Jean-Pierre Leaud.
Posted by: Joe Leydon
at July 14, 2006 01:39 PM
Joe, you're absolutely right. Garner has always been a pleasure to watch, whether in The Great Escape, Maverick, Support Your Local Gunfighter, Rockford or, hell, even those Poloroid commercials with Mariette Hartley. He is definitely a treasure who deserves more recognition. Maybe he would have gotten more props if he had been nicer to the press....
Posted by: Wrecktum
at July 14, 2006 05:50 PM
Christopher Walken - very surprised he has not been mentioned yet. I do not even want to imagine a world without Walken.
I'll also 2nd Mel Brooks, as well as add David Letterman, Michael J Fox, and especially Dick Miller. As a huge Joe Dante fan, it just wouldn't be the same watching any of his movies again.
Posted by: Brett B
at July 14, 2006 06:47 PM
Since we seem to be getting into people who are merely in middle age, I'll say Steve Martin, Dan Aykroyd, and Chevy Chase. I grew up with those guys. Also Lily Tomlin.
Posted by: jeffmcm
at July 14, 2006 06:55 PM
Wrecktum: He's always been polite to the press, as far as I can tell, when the press has been polite to him. I was polite to him when I intervied gim two years ago, and this is what I got:
“Actually,” [James] Garner says, “I don’t take success very well, because I know it’s fleeting. And the next day, it can all fall apart. I know that, too. So I don’t get too high – and I don’t get too low. You get through the world a lot easier that way.
“I’m never that disappointed when something bad happens. Naturally, I don’t like it. But I don’t get seriously disappointed. Because I don’t expect that much. I’m sure some psychiatrist would jump all over that. But that’s their job. I have mine. And I do mine the best I can.”
A hard-scrabble childhood during the Depression Era and a close brush with death during the Korean War did much to shape James Garner’s sense of perspective. Born James Scott Bumgarner on April 7, 1928 in Norman, Oklahoma, he was four years old when his mother passed away. Her death, he admits, profoundly influenced his view of this world as a place where nothing can be taken for granted. “I’ve always put women on pedestals,” he says. “But I’ve also known that they can leave you in a heartbeat. I learned that a little early, I think.”
By the age of eight, he already was working at odd jobs -- mowing lawns, mopping floors – to provide his share of income for his Depression-strapped family. Later, as the Bumgarners moved West, young Jim toiled in the oil fields of Texas, then laid carpet with his father in Los Angeles. In the ’40s, he says, “I met this guy, Paul Gregory, who was a soda jerk at the Gotham Drug Store on Hollywood Boulevard while I was working in a Shell service station a block away. I used to eat my lunches over at the drug store, and he always thought I should be an actor. But I didn’t want to have any part of it. At any rate, he said he was going to be a producer, and blah, blah, blah, blah.
“Well, we go ten years down the line, and the next thing you know, he is a producer. And I ran into him just before I was going to Korea. He’s driving a big Cadillac convertible, and he’s all dressed to the nines. And he said, ‘Jim, I still think you should be an actor.’ And I said, ‘Well, that’s fine, but I got to fight a war now.’”
Garner was wounded in action, and earned a Purple Heart. All of which, he says only half-jokingly, fully prepared him for the rough-and-tumble world of showbiz. He didn’t flinch during the high-stakes legal wrangling when, in 1960, he walked away from his Maverick TV series over a salary dispute. And he didn’t back down when, years later, he waged a more protracted legal battle to free himself from the debilitating wear and tear of The Rockford Files.
“I always have been very independent. I’m not going to let anybody intimidate me. Because they can’t. Some of the toughest have tried. But, look, in Korea, they were shooting at me. They even hit me a couple of times. After that – what else can do they do to me?
“It’s the same way now, too. I’m not worried about anything. Hey, I’m not going to make it that much longer anyway.”
Posted by: Joe Leydon
at July 14, 2006 07:28 PM
Jeff, those guys are in their 60s. The average lifespan for men is 72. By what definition do they qualify as middle age?
Posted by: Me
at July 14, 2006 09:54 PM
By virtue of the fact that if any of them passed away tomorrow, they would be considered to have died untimely deaths. Which you can't really say about Altman (81), or Dick Miller (77) or Jules Dassin (94).
Posted by: jeffmcm
at July 15, 2006 12:19 AM
PS: Dan Aykroyd is only 54.
Posted by: jeffmcm
at July 15, 2006 12:34 AM
Some of the people being mentioned (Michael Caine, Shirley MacLaine, Maggie Smith, etc) may be getting on in years but they don't look as if they're coming to their end. They still work plenty and unlike people like Elizabeth Taylor they aren't reclusive and such.
There are many people that, despite their age, would be quite shocking to lose because it just doesn't seem like they're at that time.
You know what would be freaky? if Judi Dench, Maggie Smith and Julie Walters all died within a short timespan of one another. Who will play all the cranky old british women?!
Posted by: KamikazeCamelV2.0
at July 15, 2006 12:55 AM
Eva Marie Saint, 82.
Posted by: palmtree
at July 15, 2006 10:08 AM
Jeff: Okay, Aykroyd can live. ;>
I only checked the first two and was so blown away by the fact that Chevy Chase actually was still alive... I mean that guys in their 60s would count as middle-aged that I checked neither Dan nor Lily.
Maybe I'm just too young, but it wouldn't seem untimely if someone in his 60s, who lived his prime years as recklessly as Chevy Chase supposedly did, passed away. Someone has to die early to keep the average at 72 (actually 69 for unmarried men).
Posted by: Me
at July 15, 2006 10:24 PM
"(actually 69 for unmarried men)"
Really? Crap.
Anyway, I figured that the people holding the average down are the Chris Farleys and John Belushis of the world - Chevy Chase is a retired millionaire, and they tend to get pretty good medical care.
Posted by: jeffmcm
at July 15, 2006 11:45 PM
James Earl Jones. Robert Duvall. And Gene Hackman, especially if his last film turns out to be "Welcome to Mooseport."
Posted by: Josh Massey
at July 16, 2006 04:47 PM
Jeff,
Yeah, I wondered whether infant mortality, the high number of young African American male deaths and other odd statistics get added into the number but didn't really want to research it.
But I think you are right, those rich Hollywood guys do tend to have really great healthcare. Wish I could get into that HMO. ;>
Posted by: Me
at July 16, 2006 09:14 PM
Yeah, everything you mentioned gets added into that number, it's life expectancy at birth, so it includes the entire population. Life expectancy is so low in developing nations not because people die in their 40s and 50s routinely, but because infant mortality is high.
Posted by: jeffmcm
at July 17, 2006 01:48 AM
Mickey Spillane, dead at 88.
Posted by: jeffmcm
at July 17, 2006 07:20 PM
Was he in Poseidon?
Posted by: Wrecktum
at July 17, 2006 07:23 PM
And another one who was not in Poseidon but could have been: Jack Warden, dead at 85.
Posted by: jeffmcm
at July 21, 2006 04:07 PM
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