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April 03, 2007

Herzog On Docs, 1999

Minnesota declaration: truth and fact in documentary cinema
"LESSONS OF DARKNESS"

1. By dint of declaration the so-called Cinema Verité is devoid of verité. It reaches a merely superficial truth, the truth of accountants.

2. One well-known representative of Cinema Verité declared publicly that truth can be easily found by taking a camera and trying to be honest. He resembles the night watchman at the Supreme Court who resents the amount of written law and legal procedures. "For me," he says, "there should be only one single law: the bad guys should go to jail."
Unfortunately, he is part right, for most of the many, much of the time.

3. Cinema Verité confounds fact and truth, and thus plows only stones. And yet, facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable.

4. Fact creates norms, and truth illumination.

5. There are deeper strata of truth in cinema, and there is such a thing as poetic, ecstatic truth. It is mysterious and elusive, and can be reached only through fabrication and imagination and stylization.

6. Filmmakers of Cinema Verité resemble tourists who take pictures amid ancient ruins of facts.

7. Tourism is sin, and travel on foot virtue.

8. Each year at springtime scores of people on snowmobiles crash through the melting ice on the lakes of Minnesota and drown. Pressure is mounting on the new governor to pass a protective law. He, the former wrestler and bodyguard, has the only sage answer to this: "You can´t legislate stupidity."

9. The gauntlet is hereby thrown down.

10. The moon is dull. Mother Nature doesn´t call, doesn´t speak to you, although a glacier eventually farts. And don´t you listen to the Song of Life.

11. We ought to be grateful that the Universe out there knows no smile.

12. Life in the oceans must be sheer hell. A vast, merciless hell of permanent and immediate danger. So much of a hell that during evolution some species - including man - crawled, fled onto some small continents of solid land, where the Lessons of Darkness continue.

Walker Art Center, Minneapolis, Minnesota April 30, 1999
Werner Herzog

Posted by poland at April 3, 2007 05:02 PM

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"Life in the oceans must be sheer hell. A vast, merciless hell of permanent and immediate danger. So much of a hell that during evolution some species - including man - crawled, fled onto some small continents of solid land, where the Lessons of Darkness continue."


That is just SO COOL.

Posted by: Lota [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 3, 2007 06:55 PM

Dave from his hot button talking about KING OF KONG .. "and none of the four really should be released in the current theatrical release marketplace"

Dave what are you smoking? I know you're way off the mark when it comes to non Shrek like product but did you even see KING OF KONG? This doc is total crowd pleaser and the next SPELLBOUND and demands a theatrical.. just like it demands a fictional remake starring Johnny Depp (according to New Line). Your whole doc net argument went out the door when I realised you were marginalising all non-fiction work and painting with a brush so broad it'd make Gene Shalit blush.

I get what you were going for but I honestly think you could have used other, smarter and more accurate examples.

Watch out ! Steve James might just picket your house !

Posted by: Jeffrey Boam's Doctor [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 3, 2007 09:10 PM

Uh, JBD... do you even remember Murderball? Did you notice that only one doc did over $1.3 million all of last year? There were 8 in 2005, but 5 of them were considered commercial dissapointments by their distributors based on how much time and money they spent on marketing and publicity.

Gene Shalit? Please. Talk about bullshit hyperbole.

I believe in theatrical docs. But I also believe that the companies releasing the films, not the films themselves, have marginalized what works theatrically. If $700k is enough, then it's worth releasing.

Could King of Kong do $5.7 million? Possible. But highly unlikely. More like $1.5m... if they get lucky. Has nothing to do with whether the film is good or popular at fests.

Perhaps you ought to look a little more closely into this than just how you feel about this movie or others. (P.S. Have you seen the other three titles? Or did your opinion about 1 of the 4 cause you to vent your spleen like a teen in heat?)

Posted by: David Poland [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 3, 2007 11:16 PM

Errr yes it is how I feel about that one film Dave - and yes I have seen the others. I don't think you even saw 4 films the whole of SXSW - too much star fucking to be done. This is not me venting my spleen as you regularly do about unreleasable product. this is based on my gut instinct which luckily is more accurate than a thousand hot button flip flops.

And c'mon - you state its possible B.O success has nothing to do whether the film is any good. As Dafoe said in TLADILA - Are you for real?

K.O.K will do more than $1.5 and I'll put some money down right now.. and I'll collect in Toronto Poland. We'll see who's lucky.

Posted by: Jeffrey Boam's Doctor [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 3, 2007 11:32 PM

Actually the results of your star fucking can be entertaining so I take that back.

Posted by: Jeffrey Boam's Doctor [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 3, 2007 11:41 PM

Nothing more fun than being patronized by a loudmouth at the bar.

Posted by: David Poland [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 4, 2007 12:00 AM

at least this loud mouth buys a few rounds unlike some sponges i know.

Posted by: Jeffrey Boam's Doctor [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 4, 2007 12:51 AM

Really... if you think you know something about me (apparently, you've never been to a bar with me), you should be clear about your accusations. And then you should be man enough to back them up.

It is a fool's errand for me to try to defend myself in some specific way against your random shit throwing. But you seem to be trying to accuse me of something with no actual basis and I have to say, the behavior couldn't be much more offensive or mark you any more clearly as an asshole.

Your other crap about you being right and me being wrong is just a shoulder shrugger. So what? But this other stuff, especially in that you are pretending to know something about me or my behavior and assume that you are in some position to judge it, is fucked.

Posted by: David Poland [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 4, 2007 02:07 AM

Fishing expedition without substance. Apologies for dragging this away from the bar and into the gutter.

I know a few small distributors who are releasing these docs. Docs that you think are marginalising and hurting other potential performers, but that doesn't take into account that most of the original producers are going with straight distribution deals and having to front $100k+ or more from somewhere. They are told that theatrical will lose. They still want to proceed. So who is to blame. The small distributor who wants a fresh slate or the makers who want their film playing to a real non-fest aud?

Posted by: Jeffrey Boam's Doctor [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 4, 2007 01:45 PM

I never said that releasing these docs marginalize or hurt other potential performers. What I have written is that the theatrical distribution business continues to narrow dramtically and that these films and many others are not getting as much exposure as they could if the overall distribution system was rethought.

Blame is not an issue. Finding a way to continue the growth of non-broadcast documentary is. And until people stop moving forward in simply, traditional ways, it won't happen.

Posted by: David Poland [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 4, 2007 02:49 PM

Dave, the value of Jeffrey Boam's Doctor's statements can best be gauged by the present condition of his patient.

Posted by: Cadavra [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 5, 2007 11:04 AM

I think he has a passionate point to make. I only object to the need to box me into a position I haven't taken to try to assert his point. We both are trying to get to the same place.

(Still, Cad... funny.)

Posted by: David Poland [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 5, 2007 01:19 PM

Cad - My statements are alive and well and living in Colorado under a pseudonym writing a series of well known children's books?

Posted by: Jeffrey Boam's Doctor [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 5, 2007 05:16 PM

I thought they died in 2000 after a rare lung disease.

Posted by: jeffmcm [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 5, 2007 05:54 PM

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