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i have this theory that the September/October block is the most friendly for geek films (of the non blockbuster variety).

I look at the release schedule for this year and wonder if Grindhouse wouldn't have been a much better September/October release, or Southland Tales, or any number of films that seem to do a lot better in the pre-holiday dumping ground where weird films can scrape out a little something.

Some of my favorite movies were put out in this time frame. I think back to films like Pulp Fiction, Seven, the Usual Suspects, and Trainspotting which were all put out during these months, as well as some fabulous low budget stuff that is a little too weird for award consideration and not mainstream enough for the summer season.

Maybe Stardust should have waited as well. Something that well reviewed might have done a little better in October with word of mouth carrying it into the holiday.

I enjoy these months more than anything else, because i can't think of months where you see so much good independent film and off kilter studio films out at one time.

It's interesting to see HAIRSPRAY moving up over GHOST RIDER and OCEANS 13. One, a popular comic book /CGI teenboy pic and the other a multi star-filled, ubercool, expensive sequel. It's close on the tail of the Adam Sandler stinker (far outpacing it worldwide), and soon to overtake the Will Farrell ice skating comedy. Maybe musicals aren't such a gamble after all. Still, it would have done better as a holiday release around Thanksgiving. It could have taken advantage of the good reviews and awards notice...giving it legs through the winter. Now, Golden Globe and Oscar blessings will only support the DVD campaign.

I'm pretty sure Trainspotting came out in July, and The Usual Suspects in August.

According to Neil Gaiman, Paramount paid 50% budget of "Stardust", which cost $70 million to make.
http://www.neilgaiman.com/journal/2007/08/some-of-things-ill-miss.html

I believe this movie will make profit on foreign box office and DVD sales.

I believe Neil Gaiman has it wrong. Their obligation may well have been $30 million, but I believe that money was beyond the production budget.

I am so glad Stardust is actually finding something close to an audience. I told everyone, including strangers on the street, how much I loved that movie (most of the strangers didn't seem to know that Robert De Niro and Michelle Pheiffer had a movie out - so Par's P&A costs couldn't have been very much, or they just did a sucky job). Having now read the book (well, listened to Neil's wonerfully lilting reading of the book), I can say that the movie is in fact, better than the book. I'm tempted to see it a third time, but figure at this point, I'll just buy the dvd on the day of release and watch it again that way.

Interesting comment I saw on another site. The top 5 films are all rated R. And including Superbad, that's 6 of the top 10 films. Just wondering whether this is some kind of record. Anyone...anyone...?

Rob,

they did. i know they went into wider expansion in september getting to more screens and getting word of mouth. here's a stat for trainspotting:

Highest All Time Rank (on September 14, 1996)

Same with Usual Suspects. It opened in August, went wide in September, and the word of mouth in limited release built the momentum to the wider expansion which had cinephiles lining up to see what everyone was talking about.

I'm just glad 'Across The Universe" is tanking. Granted, there are a few brilliantly executed visual sequences that go along with the music... but 75% of the that film is complete crap.

There's little to no story... the beatles jokes are disgustingly lame... "Where'd she come from?" "She came in through the bathroom window". Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhrrrg.

Anyone else notice how "Sexy" Sadie was? Hmmmmm?

Also, did anyone else who has seen it think the 'Vietnamese' girl-- 'Prudence'-- had just been sucking on a Sharpie prior to her "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" sequence? Hate to jump on physical flaws but that was a tad bit distrating to me. Hell, I thought there was possibly a deleated scene we didn't know about where she's stuck in art class and had her mouth covered in black ink.

Craptastic - the lip thing was jarring. I kept waiting for it to disappear and become a part of imdb continuity error history.
However, I'm no defender of the film (it was TERRIBLY disappointing for a Taymor picture) but it is hardly tanking. Word of mouth is (unbelievably) fantastic. This thing will have terrific legs.

The opening for Into the Wild is good but it's by no means an antecedent for a $100 million movie as you stated in the thread below. That's just absolutely ludicrous. All you have to do is look here:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/theateravg.htm

And you can see that tons of movies had better opening averages and didn't make it to $100 million... Inconvenient Truth wound up at $24 million with a bigger opening, Punch Drunk Love and I Heart Huckabees ended up under $20 million. Even Brokeback Mountain, which nearly doubled Into the Wild's average, only ended up with $83 million.

I don't even think there's the potential for $30 million on this one. The movie isn't universally loved. It's generally liked or admired for what it is... but many people thought it was way too long (including myself) and the masses are less forgiving of that. "Into the Wild" did well more to the fact of where it opened and the source material (compared to Jesse James) than anything else, and I'd be surprised if it expands into more than a thousand theatres. (Even Eastern Promises' $36 thousand average in three times as many theatres was more impressive to be honest.)

Stardust was a great movie... one of my favorites of the summer... and it deserved better treatment than being dumped into August. And they should have done whatever it took to keep Bowie's "Starman" as the end credits song.

Seattle, there will be audiences for musicals as long as they're good. But, as you mention, Chuck & Larry is at $7mil in Australia after five weeks, while Hairspray is at $3.5mil after one. But musicals are always big in Australia. Moulin Rouge! is one of the highest grossing films ever here, The Producers, Phantom of the Opera and such all did better here. Only Dreamgirls compared poorly, but that's because of the culture divide. Unless it's hip-hop, our audiences just don't care for african-american stories.

Transformers opened last week (or is it this week?) on IMAX down here. Is it going IMAX in America? Apparently it's phenomenal. The transformed robots are lifesize. Apparently.

Dave, does Into the Wild have any supporting actors that can get hooked into the awards race. No matter how good he is I just can't see Emile Hirsch getting much in the way of awards and Sean Penn won't be eligible for "breakthrough" awards so they're going to need something to hook their awards campaign on, right?

Does anyone know when Across the Universe will go a little wider? It's playing on 300 or more screens, but it is not playing here in Phoenix. Yet I think I have seen the trailer for it before every movie I have seen in the last six months...is it only playing in NY and LA still?

JESSE JAMES opened on at least 9 screens in Austin, TX. Check the showtimes. The reported 5 screens is 2 in NY, 2 in LA and 1 in Toronto. Warner Bros. is hiding the Austin numbers, because it would hurt the per screen, affecting the arthouse bookings JJ is going to get. They clearly tested Austin as going the non-arthouse route. The succeeded in NY and LA. They should, nonetheless, be FORCED to report all their numbers. LIARS.

The only supporting actor I can see getting any real awards dap from INTO THE WILD is Hal Holbrook, who was very moving. But his part is super-small, so maybe not. But it was a wonderful part of a wonderful film.

I have to agree that it's tough to see Emile Hirsch getting awards consideration unless the film makes $80 mil, but he is terrific, and always has been IMO, doing stellar work ALPHA DOG, LORDS OF DOGTOWN, and IMAGINARY HEROES. He's a great actor, just not as flashy as someone like Gosling, but has just as much soul. I hope he does get some recognition.

Into The Wild is going to be big. I think it's a great film...I haven't been able to stop thinking about it. I don't think the reviews are mixed (84% on Rotten Tomatoes). Penn has been going everywhere to promote the film. I keep reading posts from people across the country who can't wait for the film to come to their city. I think the film has a shot at a Best Picture nomination, along with Hirsch, Penn and Holbrook. The Oscars seem to give Marcia Gay Harden a nomination for zippering her dress...but I think her part is too small here. Still, I think the film is going to do really well.

I have no idea what Into The Wild will do. I think you understate the appeal, Ed, but I also think others are overstating it. And the same is true in its Oscar push.

I think we are still a ways away from knowing how much traction there will be for the movie. And that will determine whether Emile or, for that matter, Holbrook stick. Both could make it... both could miss. Holbrook has more "buzz" but it's buzz from 10 people, literally... which doesn't mean it won't happen. He is, in reality, more of a TV guy than a movie guy, so the notion that he is this year's "Arkin/ O'Toole" is a major reach.

And Glamour has a good point... pedigree is not irrelevant. Then again, it locks nothing.

i don't know about that tv crack, d-po. after all, this is the original deep throat. he may be working in tv more often, but there's more money for an actor like him in television than there is in film. don't begrudge a paycheck

Yes, he has had a great career as a character actor... but if you look at his career and the things he is most famous for, they are mostly TV and Mark Twain on stage.

well, there you go. when i think hal holbrook, i think "magnum force."

but, hey, perception is everything

don't forget Wall Street or Creepshow

But 11 Emmy noms and 4 wins and not a nod for movies ever.

First time for everything.

"Transformers" began a limited IMAX run in the States on 9/21. Box office numbers this week reflect the IMAX run.

"Across the Universe" expands to Phoenix on 9/28.

Chucky, I would love it if you would ever explain why you care so much about the marketing campaigns that you post about so often.

I don't think he ever will, Jeff.

Alan Alda has a warehouse full of Emmys, but never got an Oscar nom until AVIATOR. It's an unfair comparison; there are ten Oscar slots available each year for (male) actors, vis-a-vis 50 for Emmys (and that's excluding variety show appearances).

ditto martin landau

Still, it's pretty hard to base an awards campaign around a glorified cameo (somebody said he's only in it briefly) because I just can't see Sean Penn or Emile Hirsch winning awards. But, then, I could be wrong obviously (I am a lot). The Aviator had Scorsese and Cate and Leo and the Hughes story. Ed Wood was very Hollywood and Landau was playing an iconic figure in film history.

Is he on the level of Judi Dench or William Hurt who got nods from tiny roles? Has he been snubbed a lot in the past?

I can't believe anyone liked Stardust that much. It was very okay.

IT'S VERY AWESOME! THAT'S WHAT IT IS!

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