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David, I think they've kinda-sorta beat you to the punch. Don't you remember Dracula 2000, the movie that reveals Dracula really is Judas Iscariot?

At this point does New Line give a flying f*ck what the Vatican thinks of The Golden Compass? Or are they more concerned with the lackluster U.S. box office? People did not stay away from this movie because of the Vatican or Catholic League.

Americans certainly did stay away from "The Golden Compass" because of the Catholic League and their enablers the Liberal Media. Christian fundamentalists are playing a part in this latest jihad as well.

In fact, a positive review of the film was taken down from the Catholic News Service website on orders of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

As for me? I plan to see "The Golden Compass" this weekend and decide for myself.

The media like controversy, regardless of political 'side'. More people avoided the movie because it looked lame than avoided it because the Catholic League told them to.

The Catholic League is run by a right-wing demagogue who gets lots of face time on Fox News Channel.

Entertainment Weekly did its part with a cover story, complete with inflammatory headline. That magazine is owned by Time Warner -- which has long had a soft spot for hardline religion. (EW and New Line are corporate cousins.)

And you don't see any of the contradictions inherent in your own thought process based on what you just wrote?

I'm a Buddhist and generally, in Thailand that is, (Tibet is different), monks stay away from worldly affairs. They are not meant to meddle since they gave up worldly pleasures. It is interesting and somewhat amusing to me to see the Vatican condemning this and that film. But then again, this is a religion which constantly seeks out new members...

Just looks like a boring movie. Featuring the stars of The Invasion, a big recent movie flop.

The Pope doesn't like Gays either, especially ones that like pursuing other men in bathroom stalls. Know what I mean, Mr. Poland?

Suchie, you're an idiot. And a tool.

I think Suchie is referring to the slanderous story that was debunked several months ago. Of course, somehow Nikki Finke will be blamed.

The DaVinci Code, The Order, Stigmata, V for Vendetta, Dogma, Elizabeth The Golden Years, The Golden Compass etc. Reads like a laundry list of some of the most artistically inept and mediocre films of the past 10 years of cinema.

"Say what you want about Mel Gibson but the son of a bitch knows story structure."

South Park

Funny. Because I thought Passion of the Christ and Apocalypto were also artistically inept.

And Mel Gibson has no sense of story structure, as his movies have about 45 minutes of story stretched out to well over two hours with repetitive action, excessive slow motion and absolutely nothing in the way of character development.

I don't buy the Catholic League's impact on BO for The Golden Compass. They were more pissed off about The DaVinci Code and that did diddly squat to both the book and movie.

"And you don't see any of the contradictions inherent in your own thought process based on what you just wrote?"

Jeff, you'll win the lottery twice before Chucky admits once that he and logic inhabit two discrete universes.

So, if you can avoid apoplexy, you'll at least have won the lottery twice.

Going after the Catholic Church turns you into an artistically inept hack? Don't tell Luis Bunuel.

Nicol: so are those movies inept or are they mediocre? Those words do not mean the same thing.
And you really have to admit that you have something of a bias in that realm.

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