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March 17, 2008

BYO Civility

Feel free to use this space for whatever conversations come up.

But please... I have noticed a few people who seem to be spoiling for a fight and taking some otherwise valuable conversations someplace personal and petty.

Let's please vent our anger into our opinions and not get into the measuring of body parts.

Your turn...

Posted by poland at March 17, 2008 10:51 PM

Comments

Who typed anything about a cock-off? Have you been listening to Bubba the Love Sponge, Heat?

Posted by: IOIOIOI [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 17, 2008 11:06 PM

Peter Berg is directing a new adaptation of Dune, apparently. I don't know, Lynch's version isn't great but it's certainly indelible. And didn't they do a mini-series not that long ago? I'll always be curious to check out what Berg does, but this property seems like it's been done to death.

Posted by: Noah [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 17, 2008 11:19 PM

Noah; you've got to keep up on the haps, and Berg could make it very interesting. If he simply treats the material in a rather minimalist way. That would be interesting in a kinda sorta way. Oh yeah... big DVD day... anyone besides me going to be buying DVDs this week?

Posted by: IOIOIOI [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 17, 2008 11:54 PM

Berg doesn't have the visual imagination or the interest in this kind of thematic heft to make another version of Dune worthwhile. He needs to stick to simple, unpretentious stuff like Friday Night Lights or The Rundown, which were both just fine. I can't imagine that his Dune will be anything more than another Chronicles of Riddick.

Posted by: jeffmcm [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 18, 2008 01:49 AM

I was stunned to hear of yet another Dune adaptation. Even as a youthful fan of the book, I was fairly pleased with the Lynch version, which as Frank Herbert himself said, had good visual metaphors for various aspects.

I couldn't get into the TV movie version, though.

Posted by: York "Budd" Durden [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 18, 2008 02:49 AM

I never got through Lynch's Dune. I fell asleep after 20 minutes and woke up three hours later realising I needed to return it to Blockbuster. I was strangely non-plussed about it all. I adore Lynch's desire to cast musicians as actors, but Sting was just not doing anything for me.

Posted by: KamikazeCamelV2.0 [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 18, 2008 06:56 AM

Apparently Anthony Minghella has died. Only 54 years old.

Posted by: Stella's Boy [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 18, 2008 07:05 AM

That's terrible news about Minghella. He made some amazing films, and while some of his stuff fell flat for me (Breaking and Entering for example), I can't think of a single major thing he did that was cure crap. Try that exercise with any of your favorite directors and actors - precious few pass that test.

Posted by: OddDuck [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 18, 2008 07:38 AM

cure = pure. sorry

Posted by: OddDuck [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 18, 2008 07:41 AM

I was just gonna say that.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7302841.stm

I had just rewatched The Talented Mr Ripley a few days ago, too! I actually really liked Breaking and Entering, but I know many hated it. I was looking forward to his work on No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency. Sounded really great (especially with Jill Scott).

Damn, and 54 too. Terrible.

Posted by: KamikazeCamelV2.0 [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 18, 2008 07:42 AM

Anthony Minghella was one of "Harvey's Boys", propped up by all the awards and nominations Harvey Weinstein bought over the years. I for one will not shed a tear.

In a brighter spot of news Regal Cinemas will now permit red-band trailers to be shown before certain movies. This carries weight as Regal is the biggest US theater chain.

Posted by: Chucky in Jersey [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 18, 2008 09:03 AM

Your such a charmer, Chucky.

Posted by: Krazy Eyes [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 18, 2008 09:43 AM

Clearly chasing Oscar means one deserves to die.

Posted by: Stella's Boy [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 18, 2008 09:55 AM

Nice job on the Early Show this a.m., D-Po. I was flipping past and gave it a Spicoli style, "I know that dude!"

Posted by: LexG [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 18, 2008 09:55 AM

Never thought I'd read the words "Dune" and "minimalist" in the same sentence. There's no way to really simplify that story without gutting it. And really, who's clamoring for another Dune? Does Paramount really think it's going to be a blockbuster, in today's market? Isn't the fan-base for this property 35 and up? I wonder how much they're going to spend to make it serviceable, and not piss off the fans, but make it "accessible"? (If ever there was a book that's challenging and inaccessible, it's this one). Mischer's a geek like us, maybe, but I just don't see how this will make any money.

Posted by: Aris P [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 18, 2008 10:39 AM

Jeff --

You wrote "Berg doesn't have the visual imagination or the interest in this kind of thematic heft to make another version of Dune worthwhile. He needs to stick to simple, unpretentious stuff like Friday Night Lights or The Rundown, which were both just fine."

While I agree that The Rundown was simple and unpretentious (and very well done, in IMHO) how does Friday Night Lights not have "dramatic heft?" Just because it's contemporary and doesn't have giant space worms doesn't mean it's not dramatic. I'd also argue that his films are imaginative, in their re-workings of things we've all seen before.

Now, he may be considered to have a focus that is too contemporary, based on his CV, to direct a space opera, and that would be a fair concern. But I don't think you can label him as unimaginative or not able to handle dramatic heft.

Posted by: TuckPendleton [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 18, 2008 11:05 AM

Furthermore, to use one example, would you have thought Peter Jackson was ready to take on something the scale of LOTR based on Heavenly Creatures and The Frighteneres and his cult work?

Posted by: TuckPendleton [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 18, 2008 11:06 AM

I don't want to get into the Berg-Dune debate, but to answer the last question: Yes, Jackson's previous work did lead me to believe that he could pull off LOTR. There was enough drive and imagination on display in his smaller stories that I assumed he was ready for a larger canvas.

Posted by: L.B. [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 18, 2008 11:20 AM

i'm a huge Dune the book fan, not so much the movie and miniseries (lynch made it rain ferchissakes!).

the article i read points to an environmental message that is important today (i'm paraphrasing). my question is what environmental message? it's a desert planet cause it's a desert planet. it's not a desert planet because it was stripmined or wrecked by pollution.

to me they are already showing a fundamental lack of understanding of the source material.

Posted by: hendhogan [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 18, 2008 05:01 PM

This just in:

PETER BERG OWNS YOUR ASS.

SHOCKER 4 LIFE. Plus THE KINGDOM OWNED ALL.

That said, I've always quite liked the Lynch "Dune." Can't speak for the Sci-Fi miniseries. But it does seem like 3 film stabs at this rather culty material in 25 years would be a bit much.

For some reason, that just reminded me of how THE SHINING was similarly adapted to film by an iconoclastic auteur, then became a TV miniseries...

...how has it eluded the Platinum Dunes treatment for this long?

Posted by: LexG [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 18, 2008 05:56 PM

Chucky, do you have a soul? Cause you sound like a heartless monster with no soul. Christ, you're a terrible person.

Posted by: KamikazeCamelV2.0 [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 18, 2008 09:06 PM

Sorry, I misphrased what I said: Friday Night Lights is a successful sports drama with plenty of heft. My point is that it's about much more down-to-earth issues than what Dune covers - I see no evidence that Berg knows anything about imperial economics and religious wars and complicated dynastic power struggles.

Posted by: jeffmcm [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 18, 2008 09:07 PM

You know, when DP wrote his Minghella piece and mentioned something about his films being 'Oscar bait' my first thought was "Chucky in Jersey is going to say something assholish about him". But I chose not to type that comment, because why add to the negativity of the world, and why not give Chucky the benefit of the doubt?

So thanks, Chucky, for proving that my gut instinct was right in the first place. You're a horrible person with strange, unwarranted obsessions.

Posted by: jeffmcm [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 18, 2008 09:16 PM

Sam Raimi reloading the Jack Ryan franchise? Really? I mean, I thought doing the Spiderman flicks would give him the freedom to get back to more personal pictures. And they tried reloading it the same year the first Bourne movie came out and Jack Ryan didn't seem as relevant or as interesting as Bourne. Now they're trying to reload it again as a direct result of the success of the Bourne movies.

Personally, I'd like to see Raimi do more films in the vein of A Simple Plan, which is by far his best and most mature work.

Posted by: Noah [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 18, 2008 09:40 PM

Hey Chuck, here's Death No. 3 for today. Is it OK to mourn him? I mean, he directed Trouble Man, one of the best kick-ass movies of the '70s, but as far as I know, he never chased an Oscar.

http://movingpictureblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/rip-ivan-dixon-1931-2008.html

Posted by: Joe Leydon [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 18, 2008 09:55 PM

I read a blurb on Raimi and Jack Ryan - says he wants to make the character even younger than the one Afflek played. Wow. I can already see Hayden Christiansen in the role now. I also see it sucking big time. I mean c'mon, Afflek was bad enough, but to try to lower the demographic even more?

Posted by: OddDuck [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 19, 2008 08:22 AM

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