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May 11, 2008

The Last Words On Clinton?

The New York Times' Jo Becker and Christopher Drew put together a very well researched piece on Obama, that offers both his strengths and weaknesses quite fairly, I think. Unlike many of the hurredly thrown together pieces about the South Side politics of Chicago, this reads like it was written by reporters who got themselves familiar with what it is really like in Hyde Park.

The piece offers some strong proof of Obama as politician, not religious figure. But it also makes the argument that Obama understands the value of finding solutions instead of wallowing in dogmatism, even at the cost of some support. If I were just pushing Obama, I don't think I'd be thrilled. But I believe that editorial non-partisanship is a dying form and that this piece really offers it in spades.

On the flip side... and probably for the last time...

Two guys named James Andomian& Dan Strange wrote and assembled the video below, using the great film, Downfall, as a basis. It is brutally funny...

... but it's not nearly as brutal as SNL's slaughter of Clinton this week... which was so unsympathetic that it felt a bit like piling on and ass covering, especially after there was so much Clinton sympathy in recent months. It's interesting to me, how when a comedy show gets it wrong for a while, really taking sides, and then shifts so dramatically to the other side when the other side wins. Did they really just figure out who Ms. Clinton is?

Posted by poland at May 11, 2008 02:49 PM

Comments

It is indicative of the lack of risk-taking at Saturday Night Live that they satirize Clinton's worst aspects after she's been engaging in her cheap tactics for a few months and only when they know she's going to lose.

Posted by: swordandpen [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 11, 2008 03:50 PM

What's really going to hurt Obama is the elitist attitude of the blogosphere, assuming that "old people" don't count anymore as voters and that Obama will transform the youth into an election force. The zealotry of new media pundits like that idiot Kos and his proto-libertarians in alienating/ignoring a large voting bloc is harmful to Obama's campaign and will become an issue as he tries to win places like Indiana and Kentucky. For more snobbery and decay, see Sullivan, Andy or Wells, Jeff.

As fer SNL, very brave of them to attack Clinton after all the media whiners piled on them.

Posted by: christian [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 11, 2008 03:53 PM

I hear Hillary bet on Speed Racer...

Posted by: mutinyco [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 11, 2008 03:56 PM

Best, most honest line:

"The voters stole my nomination."

Posted by: CinemaPhreek [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 11, 2008 04:53 PM

Nope. Hillary's demo preferred What Happens In Vegas this weekend. Nevertheless; Christian you really need to understand that no one cares about the blogsphere outside of a limited number of people online. Those blogs are not even close to being mainstream. Nor will they be an issue to anyone but the audience who reads them.

You also cannot blame people for being excited. This is the guy people have been waiting for all of this years. He's the response to an eight year long question. If their excitement is wrong and a bit over the top. It stems from the fact that this is the guy who seems to have the skills and the talent to help this country (and possibly the world) out.

Posted by: IOIOIOI [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 11, 2008 05:01 PM

Whoever wrote the Clinton sketch clearly had a point to make but couldn't find a funny way to make it. Dull.

The Downfall thing, though, is damn funny.

Posted by: Eric [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 11, 2008 05:15 PM

IO, it's a joke. Nothing to do with demographics.

It was reported that Hillary had bet on Eight Belles, who broke down and was euthanized. And as Speed Racer bombed its opening weekend, that was the intent of the reference.

Posted by: mutinyco [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 11, 2008 06:00 PM

Mutiny... that's a sad ass story and I was also joking. As they say; "AAaaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaa."

Posted by: IOIOIOI [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 11, 2008 06:35 PM

That Downfall clip again. Really? I was so sick of everyone using it to make stupid videos with mock subtitles a year ago, which is when it stopped being funny.

Posted by: Chris Tilton [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 11, 2008 06:36 PM

Same here, but I laughed my ass off to that one all the same.

Posted by: Tofu [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 11, 2008 06:42 PM

The SNL attitude is probably more about internal politics. Poehler's one of the more popular cast members, her Clinton would have been a very marketable icon... and you can make fun of the Clintons relentlessly. Good for comedy, not a measure of any kind of zeitgeist.

Also, I've read that the guy who's historically written all the political openings is both a friend of Poehler's and a conservative.

The show hasn't figured out how to mock Obama, yet, and Armisen looks very uncomfortable.

Posted by: J [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 11, 2008 08:35 PM

Maya Rudolph should play Obama.

Posted by: mutinyco [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 11, 2008 09:04 PM

The Downfall clip is so old that someone has already made a Downfall clip about how old using that Downfall clip is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7dkK6r2mHU

Posted by: Chris Tilton [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 11, 2008 11:57 PM

Now that is fucking brilliant.

Posted by: christian [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 12, 2008 12:05 AM

Evidently, even some people at MSNBC thought the SNL sketch (on NBC) was cruddy.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/12/1009414.aspx

Posted by: Joe Leydon [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 12, 2008 09:35 AM

Funny, Chris... yet the Clinton one is probably the most appropriate use yet... the Big to a world of Liek Father, Like Sons.

Posted by: David Poland [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 12, 2008 11:09 AM

"The show hasn't figured out how to mock Obama, yet, and Armisen looks very uncomfortable."

The show does not - know - how to mock Obama. SNL is pretty irrelevant and is terrified of doing anything really politically incorrect or daring. I quit watching years ago.

From time to time whenever I see a sketch posted on the web I feel like that scene in Croc Dundee where he turns on the TV after saying he hasn't watched in years. The TV plays an old I Love Lucy re-run. Croc says "Yep, that's what I saw," and promptly turns it off.

Mad TV (in its prime) was far more daring, edgy and relevant...which is probably why it gets so little media attention yet still has an audience while the bloated stuffed SNL keeps waiting for Clint to come by to euthanize it.

Posted by: Nicol D [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 12, 2008 02:28 PM

You seem to know a lot about it for someone who quit watching years ago. You must have read some reports and documents.

Posted by: Stella's Boy [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 12, 2008 03:28 PM

SNL-use the Tonight Show model-cut it to 60 minutes with WAY more episodes. Start it live at 12 midnight eastern/9pm pacific. Make everybody memorize their lines as much as possible, especially regular cast members.
Hire good comedians like people they passed up in previous years like Steve Carell and Jim Carey.

Posted by: doug r [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 12, 2008 06:38 PM

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