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May 06, 2008
The Personal Objection Lie Unfolds
It seems like Paramount is getting a lot of attention here this week... I guess it's the combination of a big opening, a stock drop both last Friday and yesterday, a first quarter operating loss in the movie division ($63m, down from last year's $100m), and now, the continuing move by Sumner Redstone to move away from the scam that he sold - and that the media bought, hook, line & sinker - that Tom Cruise's deal at Paramount ended for any reason other than money.
After gossip reports about Redstone meeting with Cruise, now The Public Statement.
As I wrote a while back, the main reasons this is in play are that, 1) The M:I3 franchise is a comfortable, secure place for Cruise and he must know that if he hires the right people this time out (dumping Carnahan was a mistake last time), he can build it back up, and 2) Redstone must feel that he can get much, much, much better terms from Cruise this time out, not only doing the "let's get our money out first" deal that the studio has made with both Marvel and LucasFilm/Amblin this summer, but a better deal than either of those after breakeven. Cruise doesn't need the money personally... he needs the hit... even if Valkyrie turns out to be a success.
Finding a franchise situation where Paramount has the upper hand in the negotiations has not been easy. So expect this deal to get done... and expect it to be announced as a response to the DreamWorks exit conversation starts getting louder again in the fall.
Posted by poland at May 6, 2008 06:33 AM
Comments
"dumping Carnahan was a mistake last time"
Losing Fincher was a mistake (bit if it means we wouldn't have gotten Zodiac then I'm all for losing him), but Carnahan? Because really, what this franchise needed was something like Smokin' Aces. I liked Narc but after that turd I doubt I'd pay money to see anything of his in a theater again. Regardless of box office, I thought Abrams's MI:3 was the best of the bunch.
Posted by: Krazy Eyes
at May 6, 2008 07:10 AM
Didn't Carnahan make that piece of @#$% Smokin' Aces? Narc was good, but hardly a show that he could make a summer action movie. And his choices since then haven't shown he has what it takes. So, I'm not sure how dumping him was a mistake.
That said, they do have to find the right director to kickstart the franchise.
Posted by: Me
at May 6, 2008 07:20 AM
If Nikki has been good for anything, it was exposing just how much of a dunderhead Carney really is. The problem with MI:3 was most certainly NOT the director, but instead the Cruise branding, which finally hit a true backlash. Surprised they want to bring him back. Expect even less from MI:4.
Posted by: Tofu
at May 6, 2008 10:13 AM
I think part of the problem is that the M:I franchise really doesn't have an identity beyond Cruise. M:I was a Bourne-type thriller. M:I2 was an Asian gunfight. M:I3 was an episode of Alias. Maybe they should do a reboot and go back to the Bourne-style espionage thriller.
Posted by: Me
at May 6, 2008 10:32 AM
Tofu, what exactly do you THINK Nikki exposed about Carnahan?
You realize that picking and choosing what you think is true in a gossip column is a dangerous game, right?
The "problem" on M:I3 for Paramount was not Cruise or the director... it was their deal with Cruise, which paid him so much while they lost money. Everything else is bullshit.
And no, I don't think M:I3 needed to be Smokin' Aces. I would not have been Smokin' Aces. But is the directing really your problem with that film... or is it the basic idea? Someone like Richard Donner would have, perhaps, controlled a script like that into a more efficient machine of a movie. But that is not the only speed Carnahan can work in, as Narc showed. A tougher, tighter, smaller M:I3 where the drama worked would have been a better movie... and the same issues with Cruise's payday may have been in play, though the budget would likely have been smaller too.
Hire Cuaron or Meirelles to do M:I4.
Posted by: David Poland
at May 6, 2008 10:32 AM
She simply highlighted one of his own entries, and threw a giant spotlight on his own blog. Which if ever given a read, reveals him to be a Sub-Neanderthal.
A smaller Mission Impossible 3? Maybe only to the tune of $25 million, tops. Cruise wanted to show he was as big as anyone, and brought on J.J. since he worked cheap.
The rumors of Paramount approaching Pitt for the franchise further on was a more appealing prospect then going back to Cruise.
Posted by: Tofu
at May 6, 2008 11:05 AM
Hardly a sub-neanderthal.
But don't listen to me... I've actually left my home and spent time with the filmmaker.
I am pretty sure that one of the dirty little secrets on the M:I franchise moving on for Par is that they would have to keep paying Cruise if they made movies without him. Not nearly as much. But not an insubstantial amount.
Posted by: David Poland
at May 6, 2008 11:32 AM
SMOKIN' ACES OWNS YOUR ASS.
And CRUISE IS SUPERIOR TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US.
Posted by: LexG
at May 6, 2008 11:45 AM
Still riding, Lex?
Posted by: jeffmcm
at May 6, 2008 11:52 AM
ALICIA KEYS IS THE HOTNESS IN ACES.
KNOW IT.
Posted by: LexG
at May 6, 2008 12:01 PM
I would not have been Smokin' Aces. But is the directing really your problem with that film... or is it the basic idea?
Definitely the directing. I even liked Domino a lot better, and it was a similar kind of movie (and not a great one, but better than Aces).
Posted by: LYT
at May 6, 2008 12:53 PM
ALICIA KEYS IS THE HOTNESS IN ACES.
KNOW IT.
true, but that's more of an indictment of "smokin aces"
Posted by: hendhogan
at May 6, 2008 12:56 PM
Dear sweet Jesus Domino is a wretched, worthless, totally awful movie. Of course LYT likes it.
Posted by: Stella's Boy
at May 6, 2008 01:08 PM
DOMINO is a MASTERPIECE and the most accurate depiction of Los Angeles and millennial ennui in the history of cinema. The production design is INCREDIBLE... there is a scene where Rourke, Ramirez and Keira are going to serve a warrant in East LA, and crispness of cinematography and the verisimilute of location is breathtaking.
It is fucking AWESOME. Only someone with no INTENSITY could not like a movie as pummeling, loud, crazy, funny, colorful and go-for-broke as DOMINO.
IT OWNS YOU AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
BEST OF THE DECADE.
KNOW IT.
Posted by: LexG
at May 6, 2008 01:12 PM
Thanks for the laugh Lex. I'd take the opinion of a blind/deaf/mute before I'd take your's. The fact that you like Domino only proves that it is terrible.
Posted by: Stella's Boy
at May 6, 2008 01:17 PM
You misspelled "yours."
DOMINO COMMANDS YOUR EVERY MOVE.
Posted by: LexG
at May 6, 2008 01:20 PM
The problem with the whole M:I franchise is that there is no character there for Cruise to play. When i look at Harrison Ford as Indiana Jones, i know who that character is. Or Bruce Willis as John Mclane. Or Mel Gibson as Martin Riggs. Who is Ethan Hunt anyway and why do we give a damn?
Posted by: Dr Wally
at May 6, 2008 01:26 PM
You should inherently care because it's CRUISE, who should be your idol, your ideal to aspire to in life. Cruise is power. Cruise is the best we have to offer.
CRUISE POWER.
Posted by: LexG
at May 6, 2008 01:28 PM
Domino is a glorious awful mess of a movie that i would love is someone remade compentently in ten years. There were some great ideas buried under the flash and bangs.
I agree that the problem with the franchise is that ethan hunt changes from movie to movie. Determined in the first, cocky in the second, mother hen in the third. Then saddling him with a wife in the third one painted the entire franchise in a corner.
Posted by: hcat
at May 6, 2008 01:34 PM
On Domino, Beat the Devil, Carnahan, Ticker, and trying to be hip...
Domino had a near perfect, inventive, and clever script. The problem was in the execution and Keira Knightley's insecurities in the role. She was too afarid of seeming frail and innefective so she spent half the movie screaming and cut her hair into some sort of disaster the day before shooting without running it by the filmmakers.
And Scott deserves all the shit he's gotten for it. Beat the Devil was super insane and fresh. Scott used his new bag of tricks in Man on Fire as much as a single movie will allow. It's funny how that movie seemed like an exercise in moderation in hindsight, but you can't do an entire movie with that style. You lose any semblance of tone, have no pacing etc.
But speaking of BMW films, they style of Carnahan's Ticker SHOULD have been stretched to feature length and that would have been a M:I film that would have destroyed the first two. The goal was to Bourne it up and make it gritty as hell. I would have loved that. The problem with Smokin' Aces wasn't the action, all thirty seconds of it. Seriously, what was that all about?
The problem is Carnahan has wanted to write "hip and funny" dialogue since his 7,000 dollar feature (not Narc) and it's not his thing. Not everyone is funny. Not everyone is hip. If he sticks to a brutally serious tone with a little fun here and there he could become one of the top action/thriller directors.
I really wish we had got to see his version of M:I-3. Killing Pablo will prove a lot, even if it's being financed by Bob Yari. In other words, the trailers and marketing campaign will be non-existent and more amateur hour than anything out there.
Posted by: Rothchild
at May 6, 2008 02:02 PM
Rothchild, that was well thought out and somewhat persuasive, but the fact remains, and you all must KNOW IT:
DOMINO OWNS YOUR ASS.
KEIRA OWNS YOUR ASS.
ROURKE OWNS YOUR ASS.
ALICIA KEYS OWNS YOUR ASS.
Scott and Carnahan should do a GRINDHOUSE-type movie where the two halves are awesome, hardcore, feverishly cut, purple-and-green sheened, smoke-filled, sunglasses-laden crime movies with good-looking people firing off 12-gauge shotguns at each other while METAL plays and all the women wear midriff shirts and give lapdances.
Just admit that's what movies are all about.
Shooting and hotness.
Posted by: LexG
at May 6, 2008 02:51 PM
Why spend so much money making that movie when we could just do a bunch of coke and acid and not leave our own pizza-box-ridden bedrooms?
Posted by: jeffmcm
at May 6, 2008 02:52 PM
LEXHOUSE.
OWNING YOUR ASS AT A THEATER NEAR YOU.
JANUARY 2010.
Come on, all agents, take a chance and sign me. I'm a genius.
Posted by: LexG
at May 6, 2008 02:54 PM
There just doesn't seem to be that many filmmakers that can pull that off. The Bourne franchise seems to be doing it, the late Frankenheimer did a good job in Ronin, and James Cameron did a great job as always with True Lies. Speaking of which, wasn't there supposed to be a True Lies sequel? Or is Avatar going to be some sort of Heinleinesque action-adventure in the same sort of vein?
Posted by: doug r
at May 6, 2008 02:59 PM
"But don't listen to me... I've actually left my home and spent time with the filmmaker."
Sure enough, before I made my first reply, I went to check if you had done an interview.
Whatever the case being for who he is in person for an hour is likely at odds with what he feels he writes in "private".
Posted by: Tofu
at May 6, 2008 03:22 PM
"what movies are all about... Shooting and hotness"
LexG a 21st Century Godard.
Posted by: Jeffrey Boam's Doctor
at May 6, 2008 03:30 PM
I think it's awesome that no talents like Ashton Kutcher have thriving careers in the field of comedy, while Lex remains an unemployed loser.
Posted by: The Big Perm
at May 6, 2008 04:32 PM
I'm not unemployed, son.
Posted by: LexG
at May 6, 2008 04:37 PM
Yeah, how else could Lex afford his lifestyle and (cough) habits?
Posted by: jeffmcm
at May 6, 2008 04:41 PM
Jeff's quick on the draw ("like a horse named McGraw, BOOM SHA-LOCK LOCK BOOOOOOOOOOM," SON!)
TM HOUSE OF PAIN.
Posted by: LexG
at May 6, 2008 04:42 PM
What I mean Lex is, unemployed in a job that you'd want to have.
How's the standup going? Still shitty? I'd imagine so.
Posted by: The Big Perm
at May 6, 2008 04:43 PM
It didn't really take long for LexG to revert back to the vile old version of himself, did it.
Posted by: KamikazeCamelV2.0
at May 6, 2008 06:54 PM
"I think part of the problem is that the M:I franchise really doesn't have an identity beyond Cruise. M:I was a Bourne-type thriller. M:I2 was an Asian gunfight. M:I3 was an episode of Alias. Maybe they should do a reboot and go back to the Bourne-style espionage thriller."
Here's an idea: why not go back to the original TV series and do a feature version of THAT??
Posted by: Cadavra
at May 6, 2008 07:37 PM
Cadavra, they tried that at the beginning of the first movie. It made too much money.
Posted by: martin
at May 6, 2008 08:04 PM
Maybe M:I4 should be done by someone like Tom Tykwer or Florian Henckel von Donnersmarck (that's as close as I can get without looking it up). Or, hell, just throw caution to the wind and go with Andrew Bujalski or the guys who did The Puffy Chair - the notion is so ridiculous, it just might produce something that's great (or terrible in a new and different way).
Posted by: yancyskancy
at May 7, 2008 01:50 AM
MI3 was the best one of the lot!
Posted by: Reginald_Applegravy
at May 7, 2008 06:04 AM
MI3 was the best one of the lot!
Posted by: Reginald_Applegravy
at May 7, 2008 06:05 AM
Tykwer I can see working. He has the same vibe as Greengrass when he jumped into the Bourne frey.
Donnersmarck? No way. I think his strengths lie elsewhere. BTW your spelling was spot on, Yancy.
Posted by: KamikazeCamelV2.0
at May 7, 2008 08:27 AM
Lex, you know there's a lot of bad blow moving through LA right now, don't you?
Uh, well, clearly you do...
Posted by: christian
at May 7, 2008 10:56 AM
You know whom I'd like to see do MI:4? Walter Hill. A good old-fashioned action ace who pisses all over CGI and does it the way it used to be done. I'd even put up with Tommy Boy to see that one.
Posted by: Cadavra
at May 7, 2008 02:13 PM
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