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May 17, 2008

What Is With The Times Online?

After the embarrassingly misreported story on how dangerous Cannes is to Indiana Jones yesterday, The Times Online today offers an alleged first newspaper review of the film... that is nothing close to being a review!!! All they do is drop a few spoilers and indicate that they liked the movie more than the buzz... the buzz that didn't much exist and that they propagated!!!

Really... there is nothing much to read here, especially if you don't want to read spoilers, albeit fairly minor ones. There is nothing approaching a single graph of critical argument about the film... not even hack level criticism.

I just don't get it. Isn't The Times Of London supposed to be Traditional Media? Aren't they supposed to act like adults?

My guess - just a guess - is that they feared printing a full review before the Cannes screening because they had made an agreement with Paramount in order to get early access to the movie. But trying to have it both ways is so... so... so...

Argh.

Posted by poland at May 17, 2008 11:51 PM

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Man, that "review" was easily the worst-written thing I've read all week... and I do believe frequented both DVD message boards and YouTube comments in the last seven days. It's like a third-grade book report, stating woefully obvious background "facts" (it has been nearly 20 years! Ravenwood is so-and-so) and eschewing even a cursory level of actual criticism.

If I can nitpick, it even STARTS OUT with one of the most annoying amateur lines imaginable, that "Hollywood has been waiting" for the next edition of this series. I remember geeks using this line circa Phantom Menace time in 1999: "I've waited 16 years for this movie!!!"

BULLSHIT. Just as in the red-hot summer of 1990, the world at large wasn't fantasizing what the "next" Star Wars would entail, nobody was really banking on a fourth Indiana Jones during the leaner ends of the last 19 FUCKING YEARS. Was there really a day in Spring '97 where instead of bean-counting THE SAINT, all of Hollywood EN MASSE was ticking off the days till the inevitable next INDY OUTING?

Maybe that's a trivial beef, but to me it's pretty indicative of the overall incompetence in the writing in that "review."

Posted by: LexG [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 18, 2008 12:46 AM

Beyond that, I'm calling it now: Harlow hasn't seen the film.

He may have seen an extended promo reel of some sort, but he has NOT seen the film.

"John Hurt lurks menacingly as a rival hunter."

Ummmmmm... no. No, he doesn't. Not at all. That's not what he's playing, and he's pretty far from being a "menace" in the film.

Nonsense and tomfoolery. But they're a newspaper, so they're "legit."

Posted by: Drew [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 18, 2008 01:38 AM

By the way, Dave... even if you don't want to admit it, "buzz" has certainly existed on this film since they began production. The stories we DIDN'T print would fill a book. Sourced stories. Accurate stories. You can pretend that the only buzz is from non-existent people, but you're fooling yourself.

I hope that the film is awesome. I hope it blows people's minds all day long tomorrow at Paramount. But you need to stop with this "there was no buzz" lie. Go talk to your friend Jack M. and ask him what the near-deafening buzz is and has been for months and months. It's not from exhibitor's screenings, m'man.

Posted by: Drew [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 18, 2008 01:41 AM

by no stretch of the imagination is that a proper review, but (slightly off topic) the mention of marion ravenwood made me think of a tv interview with ford i saw yesterday in which he was asked about how tom selleck was originally cast as indy in 'raiders of the lost ark', and a screen test was shown of the scene where indy meets up with marion for the first time at her bar in nepal, with selleck as indy and sean young as marion! those two together had all the chemistry and zing of one of those half-eaten sandwiches you find under the seat of the car a month after your kid has tossed it aside; he was all whiney with that huge bloody mustache and she looked seriously pissed off...thank the movie gods they didn't get the nod for 'raiders'! i sincerely doubt we'd be talking about an 'indy 4' today... i'm looking forward to seeing marion after all these years, she's a pistol

Posted by: leahnz [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 18, 2008 02:51 AM

Initial capsule reviews are already posted at Variety, Cinematical and Elsewhere. They're all positive and say Skull compliments the previous sequels.

Posted by: mutinyco [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 18, 2008 07:36 AM

What I cannot understand...what I cannot fathom...is that on a regular basis we comment on articles from the "legit" media on the entertainment industry that usually agree are

1. poorly informed

2. poorly researched

3. filled with spin and bias

4. sometimes filled with lies

We usually agree that the writers may be hacks. That they do not know what they are talking about and that just because someone is considered a "legit" entertainment journo, does not mean they at all know what they are talking about.

Then, when the same "legit" media commits the exact same practices in politics, giving us fawning spin over Barack Obama (oh, hell, most left wing politicians) the majority of you fall for it hook. line. and. sinker. Then, most notions of being critical of a complete messianic deification with equal lack of research, information and filled with spin and bias, goes out the window.

It was my understanding of the misinformtion of the entertainment press that made me question the political press. And I found they were equally biased and inept. The logic in principle being if they can't get simple entertainment info right...how could I trust them on the big stuff?

Just a point I've wanted to make for a while.

Posted by: Nicol D [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 18, 2008 07:46 AM

"Then, when the same 'legit' media commits the exact same practices in politics, giving us fawning spin over Barack Obama (oh, hell, most left wing politicians) the majority of you fall for it hook. line. and. sinker. Then, most notions of being critical of a complete messianic deification with equal lack of research, information and filled with spin and bias, goes out the window."

Senator Joe Biden, CALL IT!

"Bullshit."

Posted by: IOIOIOI [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 18, 2008 12:01 PM

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