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Even EWS, which you noted as being a disappointment, still pulled $160M worldwide...

I lost that article completely when Anne started on Angelina Jolie. I mean seriously, that woman could not open a bottle of Coke. Great riposte from Dave. I often think movie 'stardom' in the eyes of the media is less about getting people into theaters, and more about coverage in the glossies. Why is Scarlett Johannsson considered a bigger 'movie star' than Rachel Mcadams? Why is Jude Law considered a 'movie star' but, say, Jason Statham, is not? It's not about box-office these days, it's about column inches.

I think there's a difference between a celebrity and a movie star. Actors like Jude Law and Angelina Jolie may not get audiences into theaters for their acting/movie-stardom, but they do get a lot of attention in the tabloids for their celebrity. An example is someone like Will Smith or Tom Hanks, who large #'s of moviegoers genuinely want to see act in a movie, whereas you have a Jude Law or an Angelina who people genuinely want to read about in the gossip pages. This is not a matter of talent or lack of talent, but just how they have positioned themselves to the public, and it's hard to break out of that box once you've become successful in it.

Also, it should be mentioned that the tabloid-appeal will cross over to movie box office, when the movie itself plays off of that such as Mr. and Mrs. Smith. Even something like Wanted seems to play very trashy and will appeal to some extent to that gossip-page audience.

Minor 'correction'...

Harrison Ford had back to back $100 million hits at least one other time, with The Fugitive ($183 million) in 1993, followed by Clear & Present Danger ($120 million) in 1994.

The closest he had to a 'run' was from 1992-2000. He had Patriot Games ($84 million), The Fugitive ($183 million), Clear & Present Danger ($120 million), Sabrina ($55 million - not the flop it's considered), The Devil's Own (yes, an over-budgeted flop at $42 million), Air Force One ($171 million), Six Days Seven Nights ($75 million - again not a flop in the least), Random Hearts (yes, a flop at $31 million, but also not a movie that even Will Smith could turn into a hit, in my opinion), then finishing off with the popular What Lies Beneath ($156 million).

From there on in, alas, it was $30-50 million grossers until Indy 4. Although I still maintain that Hollywood Homicide is one of the funniest films he's done and he's great in it.

The problem with Harrison Ford is that all of his alleged fans carp that he never tries anything different, yet, they scream in horror when he does (Random Hearts, Devils Own, K19, Hollywood Homicide, etc), thus forcing him to retreat to his safety zone (Firewall, Indy 4).

Mendelson,

They scream in horror when Ford does something different because he's usually god-awful in those films. Devils Own and Random Hearts I couldnt' finish.

I have heard he's quite wonderful in the Mosquito Coast.

The thing about Mosquito Coast is that, yes, Harrison Ford's performance is brilliant, but the character is absolutely excruciating. I couldn't stand him or the movie.

"As for Downey… love the work… but if you would gamble money on him delivering a $100 million gross in anything but Iron Man, I’ll sell you a bridge and the papers on Tobey Maguire to boot."

True. I've been saying this all along.

"The only film LaBeouf has ever opened to real business was Disturbia ($22m) and the film didn’t manage $100 million domestic in spite of great reviews and it came up short of $120 million worldwide."

You are jumping to conclusions. 'Disturbia' was the first and only movie since he was born again as a lead actor (and Spielberg protege). And I don't think anyone really expected it to be a $100 million hit.

Compare the grosses and budget to that of Cloverfield and you'll see that he did an equal type gross without the prolonged internet hype. The international gross is a bit icky though.

And yes, I will argue with you that he was in no small part responsible for Transformer's legs. Let's face it, the kid was the best thing in the movie and that's saying something considering that he was forced into lead and the top billed "stars" being supporting players in their own movie.

If nothing else, it's the upcoming 'Eagle Eye' would be a real test of his box office draw.

And even before that "Holes" did decent bussiness too.

Of course, he's no star but I think he'll do decent enough. In a few years I can see him pulling a Jerry McGuireesque romcom and doing a decent bussiness with it. If only they don't try to mature him to quickly - pairing him with a much older female in "Eagle Eye" was a mistake.

I'm sure Spielberg is progmatic enough not to continue using him past his prime. We'll see how long he stays.

Today's LA Times actually made a point of referring to GET SMART as Anne Hathaway's "highest weekend opening."

Yes, she's the female lead and a name actress (and awesome of course)... but does anyone really consider GET SMART "an Anne Hathaway movie"?

It's such a gray area as to what constitutes a true show of "star power" versus a movie that just incidentally happens to feature a certain actor. Demi Moore used to somehow get "A Few Good Men" included in her laundry list of box-office achievements... and even this otherwise excellent article mentions both "Hook" and "Flatliners" in discussing Julia Roberts.

I appreciated Random Hearts more than I liked or enjoyed it. It's a dark, difficult, messy movie and I forgive it its flaws because I thought it was an interesting take on the subject matter (I'll probably never watch it again, but it was worth watching once).

As for The Devil's Own, it's not a masterpiece, but it gets better as it goes along and the last act has some truly meaty material. And, once again, an actor (Brad Pitt) got roasted for doing an actually authentic Irish accent instead of the usual lucky charms bit that most US audiences are used to. The same thing happened to Tom Cruise in Far & Away. Not great movies, but nothing wrong with the accent work.

K19 and Firewall were lousy, and he was lousy in them. But again, for a different Harrison Ford, try the above mentioned Mosquito Coast or Hollywood Homicide. In a summer of great vehicle chases - Matrix Reloaded, Terminator 3, Bad Boys 2 - the big chase in Hollywood Homicide was my favorite, as it used real stunts and was funny to boot.

If anyone would have the decency to cast Ford in an out and out comedy, tapping into the weird, self-depreciating humor on display when he guests on Conan O'Brian, they'd have a huge hit on their hands.

Poland, why don't you just come out and say what no one wants to admit:

The star system has crashed and burned and is even more OVER than the academy awards...

Wait, did you just bring up the Academy Awards?

It's always Oscar season here at MCN.

DAMN IT! IT'S NOT OSCAR SEASON ON THIS PLACE UNTIL TORONTO! No early Oscar talk. All that is holy... give me two more months of solid or week opening discussions, Dark Knight discussion, and Sisterhood of the Travelling Pants 2. Yeah, I go there.

Nevertheless, it's too early tos tate what the effect of Iron-Man will have on Downey's career. If you remember properly Iron Hater (Heat's new nickname because of his full fled hatred of Iron Man... without hyphen because it makes the SSoS lose it), Tobey was really not much until Spider-Man. Heck... he's not much now without Spidey, but the guy is starting a family.

Let us contrast this with Downey. Whose really in the prime of his life. After previously squandering the prime of his life 10 years ago. Women find him hot, men want to be him, and he plays a rather iconic character now.

Do you really want to bet against TONY STARK from here on out? Really? I think you need to re-evaluate this decision of your's Iron Hater. It's not like you have not been WRONG... WRONG... one more for the peeps... WRONG about everything releated to Iron Man. So why stop the losing streak? Does someone need a hump-buster? I think he does.

Oh yeah... how can you have movie stars in this cultural climate? We build people up and knock them down in the time most of the established stars had build a career. Do you really think Bossom Buddies Hanks' would have found a career in this day in age?

It's just a different world now. It's more about the movie than the star. The day may come when we have a huge international movie star again, but this may have to do with man or woman then the world around him or her.

If you notice with the first paragraph. The mere mention of Oscar season drove me into a tizzy. I apologize for my outrage, and will try to control my anger in the future.

IO, this is a serious question, are you on drugs? Either prescribed or self-prescribed, just curious.

Martin, it's cunt responses such as the one above that makes me want to throttle the lot of you. Seriously... you have to be a cunt to even think something like that (Oh wow... I can be silly like MILLIONS OF OTHER PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET! Good lord. Some of you people act as if you have never once thought of a silly thought in your entire freakin lives. It boggles my mind that you all are so fucking serious, that you have a hard time with someone being silly on a blog ran by DAVID POLAND OF ALL PEOPLE! The guy is sillier than I have ever been), and you are even cuntier if you are trying to be funny. It's not fun. It's not funny. It's ridiculous. Fuck you, sir. Fuck you, very much.

I do not suffer foolishness, but this blog is full of fools. FOOLS who somehow get paid to work in the BIZ. I am at a loss as to how some of you get through the day without going on this blog or Wells' blog, and being assholes to people. It is absolutely astounding to me that grown adults act this way. If you are looking to cast aspersions. You really need to pull a Michael Jackson, look in the mirror, and let's move the fuck on.

You people are fucking astouding. The hell with this thread. Bring on something else, IH.

Sorry for coming off so Myerish. My bad. Carry on... wayward sons.

There's nothing wrong with taking drugs, I just think you're on the wrong ones. Some suggestions: Adderall for your ADD and lithium for your bipolar disorder.

IOI, I beg of you, stop using the c-word. It makes you look like a terrible person prone to fits of insane rage.

IO, "Iron Hater" is awesome.

Even though I'm mildly indifferent to that movie and don't even believe DP actually "hates" it, there's something absurdly amusing about that, just like most of IO's giddy vernacular.

I just got back from seing "Hancock," and all I can say is: Don't read anything else about the movie before you see it. Not even supposedly spoiler-free postings on this blog and others. Don't read reviews (well, don't read any except mine, because I can guarantee I won't spill any beans) and don't even talk to friends who have seen preview screenings. Seriously. I walked in knowing virtually nothing about the plot -- and I am ever so glad I did. There has been some bogus info about the plot posted here and elsewhere already -- so be careful where and what you glance at.

Agreed, Joe... though I was careful about avoiding any real info in the piece I just wrote and posted.

P.S. Much of the "bad information" wasn't bad. But they changed the film, which is why test screening reviews are bullshit.

David: I would say your posting is safe to read. (I know that sounds like the most left-handed of compliments, but I can't be any more specific without, well, spoiling the very thing you reference.)But I repeat: Folks who haven't seen the film, and who want to enjoy it to the fullest, should avoid certain postings -- and, to be honest, certain other blogs. To be brutally frank, it's movies like this that make me regret the creation of the blogosphere.

IO, not sure if you're bothering with this thread anymore, but...

"Do you really want to bet against TONY STARK from here on out? Really? I think you need to re-evaluate this decision of your's Iron Hater. It's not like you have not been WRONG... WRONG... one more for the peeps... WRONG about everything releated to Iron Man. So why stop the losing streak? Does someone need a hump-buster? I think he does."

David says to not bank on "Tony Stark" in movies that aren't Iron Man, which is a very fair call. Johnny Depp got solid grosses out of Secret Window, Mexico etc post-Pirates, but nothing since has even approaching the grosses of Pirates apart from Chocolate Factory. He's a big star, sure, and I'm sure Downey Jr will get some decent sized grosses under his belt, but unless he's cast in another big budget blockbuster (I doubt he's the kinda guy who will be interested in that, quite frankly) then I think it's fair to say he's not going to be getting to $200mil again until 2010 with Iron Man 2.

"He's a big star, sure" refers to Depp btw. Bad punctuation there, sorry.

'the mosquito coast' (a weir clasic, imo, along with 'witness', tho far less tidy and conventional) is river's movie, start to finish

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