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June 02, 2008

The Clinton Syndrome

The core problem is not the outcome of that procedure, but the tone of anger and “we wuz robbed” that has been coming out of the Clinton campaign since they fell hopeless behind in this election, months ago. They aren’t stoking the positive argument, but continue to undermine Obama every single day.

There is little doubt that Clinton is a tougher adversary than McCain for Obama this year, given that there are real issues between the Democratic and Republican candidates that lean heavily for the Democrat at the moment. The choice between Clinton and Obama has been, from the start, about minutiae and personality more than any real differences. Even the experience issue is a bit silly, given that The First Lady is not an elected or appointed political office. So taking sides meant a commitment. And no one likes to be spurned once they’ve made a commitment. And when one side stokes the idea that the other side hates their side… well, this is where we are.

Simply put, a Clinton supporter who would suggest for one moment that they would vote for McCain over Obama never could be supporting Clinton based on policy. If you believed in Clinton’s policy arguments, the leap to McCain instead of Obama is so distant that you could NEVER make an argument on that level… only on the anger that has been stirred by the Clinton campaign.

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Posted by poland at June 2, 2008 04:41 AM

Comments

You know, you might have a future as a writer if this movie thing doesn't pan out.
Seriously, we are all getting tired of the same old gasbags on the TV with the same old narrative. Good to see some insightful commentary on the Democratic Bataan Death March to the White House.

Posted by: doug r [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 2, 2008 06:11 AM

While Hillary's voice still annoys me. She has simply given Obama a guide as to what he needs to do in the Fall. He will have the whole Summer to discuss things with all of these groups who apparently have problems with him. He will criss-cross this country, giving these people time, and listening to their problems. He will get through to them. If you listen to him. If you give him a chance. He may get through to you. This now his task thanks to all of Hillary's sabatage, but I have faith in the dude to pull it off.

Unlike some people around here who believe that the OMWSAC is a viable candidate. Mr. McCain and his lobbyist problem should be interesting come the Fall.

Posted by: IOIOIOI [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 2, 2008 07:53 AM

Go read the little children at Daily Kos, who scream that if Clinton "steals the nomination" (they wuz robbed too?) that they won't vote for her. No difference in childish and party-destroying temperment.

Posted by: christian [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 2, 2008 09:50 AM

I think there's a difference between honest and correct outrage, and being fed a line and believing it.

Posted by: jeffmcm [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 2, 2008 12:26 PM

superb article! one factual thing though. Obama didn't secure anything super-Tuesday. He was still well behind Clinton but managed to win enough small states (and one battleground the bellweather Missouri) to stay in the race, unlike Edwards. Then for the next month Clinton didn't try to compete with Obama and he racked up a dozen consecutive wins in the dreaded 'flyovers' that Clinton cares so little about. That month was before the Clinton campaign came up with the successful racism/elitist&Wright strategy that they pummeled Obama on in West Virginia, Kentucky, and Ohio. Before Clinton came up with her winning strategy she didn't have a chance in states with demographics similar to Kentucky, Ohio or West Virginia, and she didn't win any of those states early on. it was during the month between super tuesday and texas that Obama took the delegate lead, he was an underdog until they went into texas. fwiw starting with texas the republican primary had wrapped up and by that time republican leaders had seen the writing on the wall regarding Obama's appeal in red states (and Clinton's lack of appeal in the same states) and that's when the campaign to get republicans to vote against Obama rather than participating in the republican primary began hard, and it's probably had a statistically significant impact on the states that came after texas.

But anyway it was indeed a great article. But here's a scary scary thought. If McCain takes Giuliani as his running mate and Obama DOES NOT take Clinton as his running mate will Obama lose New York? I think he very well might.

Posted by: movielocke [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 2, 2008 12:41 PM

No, he won't. First, because McCain wouldn't do such a thing, because it would alienate the right wing of his party even more than they already are. But even if he did, it's still one of the most reliably Dem. states in the country and Giuliani's popularity has fallen considerably in the last several years.

Posted by: jeffmcm [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 2, 2008 12:53 PM

It should also be noted that history has shown that the early front-runner (especially in the Democratic party) almost never wins the nomination: Muskie, Glenn, Kennedy, Gephardt, etc. Hillary was fighting an uphill battle from the get-go.

Posted by: Cadavra [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 2, 2008 05:17 PM

Hillary is running up the white flag.

Posted by: Chucky in Jersey [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 2, 2008 05:22 PM

Christian... there are freaks on both sides. But you have to admit - you HAVE to - that Clinton's argument that committed delegates can be flipped smells more of a "theft" argument than anything Clinton has come up with.

Posted by: David Poland [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 3, 2008 09:54 PM

And Locke, you are right. Obama too his 130 delegate lead that never dwindled on March 11.

My apologies.

Posted by: David Poland [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 3, 2008 09:57 PM

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