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August 23, 2008
Can You Smell The McCain Burning?
The McCain campaign is already selling Obama's "the next president" verbal stumble as a show that he is giving Biden the lead on the ticket.
Tee-hee.
If this and old debate footage is what they have to fire at the Obama-Biden ticket, Democrats can start to get cocky again.
In an odd way, Obama selected a Dem version of McCain... less bluster, less anger, but a veteran Washington voice who is fearless about saying what he really things... well, that used to be McCain.
We will get more of the same scam from the Republicans… trying to sell Biden’s experience as a liability while trying to sell their guy’s experience as something other than what it has been and what it has become. Trying to cherry pick polls to suggest trouble. Trying to sell Obama and Biden as Paris and Britney.
But people really do decide for themselves. And who, in real life, doesn’t actually want the new guy, who they aren’t sure is proven, to have experience in the room with him? Who can’t understand that 95% voting with your President is a vast agreement with your President? Who really wants the guy whose best defined ideas are how to attack his opponent?
Obama still is the top of the ticket.... still suffers from being the new guy... is still black with a "funny" name... and now he has to be careful not to make Biden so much the attack dog that he doesn't become further labeled as emotionally distant. They have to work out the act so that Obama sets first and Biden spikes next. Because in the end, they have the goods.
Keywords: Bluster... Bush/McCain... Out Of Touch With The American People... Straight Talk
Posted by dpoland at August 23, 2008 12:07 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7Y8AFctpjo
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Fuck. Yes.
Posted by: Tofu
at August 23, 2008 02:31 PM
A part of me has just been ripped
The pages from my mind are stripped
Oh no, I can't deny it
Oh yea, I guess I gotta buy it!
(Dedicated to milk-filled snare drums, and, of course, Faye Dunaway...)
Posted by: mutinyco
at August 23, 2008 04:07 PM
So Biden's been in the Senate over 30 years and he's got a net worth of $300,000?
Wow. I guess he's honest.
Two guys. Two houses.
Posted by: doug r
at August 23, 2008 05:14 PM
Actually Biden's net worth is $100,000 to $150,000 per NBC. Also, Biden had to take a second mortgage out to pay for his son's college education. Moreover, Barack Obama and Michelle Obama just finished paying off their student loans four years ago...but I feel like not enough Americans know this.
Posted by: Mr. Gittes
at August 23, 2008 08:32 PM
Mr. Gittes: you mean the Obamas and the Bidens are not multi-millionaires that own multiple homes thank to their rich younger wives? YOU CERTAINLY CANNOT BE SERIOUS?
Posted by: IOIOIOI
at August 23, 2008 08:34 PM
Not serious enough, IO.
Posted by: Mr. Gittes
at August 23, 2008 09:04 PM
Posted by: mutinyco
at August 23, 2008 09:26 PM
Yes, we wouldn't want our president to be rich now, would we?
It'd be much better if his success in life came only in government service. That is the man I want at the helm.
Preferably a lawyer. Someone who made their living suing companies would be perfect.
Posted by: moviesquad
at August 23, 2008 09:53 PM
"It'd be much better if his success in life came only in government service. That is the man I want at the helm. "
You know, this is pitched as a devastating attack on someone like Biden...but is it?
There was a time when devoting oneself to the service of one's nation was considered respectable and patriotic and even wealthy scions like Jay Rockefeller and Ted Kennedy devoted themselves to lifetimes of working harder and making less money than they could have by sitting on corporate boards.
Posted by: jeffmcm
at August 23, 2008 10:43 PM
mc mahon -- while i agree completely with your sentiment, you might want to leave teddy's name out of the mix.... naw mean?
Posted by: scooterzz
at August 23, 2008 11:12 PM
What, because of where his dad made his money?
"Trust me Kay, I'm nothing like my family."
Posted by: jeffmcm
at August 23, 2008 11:17 PM
Chappaquiddick isn't the measure of the man, but it's the measure of a man's ethics.
Posted by: sloanish
at August 24, 2008 02:27 AM
This of course ties into Obama's speech.
"Joe Biden is what so many others pretend to be. A statesman."
Posted by: Tofu
at August 24, 2008 09:55 AM
Hillary, on Obama: "Not ready to lead."
Biden, on Obama: "Not ready to lead."
McCain/__________: Ready To Lead.
That's what I'd do. I'd highlight Obama's 140+ days in the Senate, the lack of bills with his name on it, Biden's ad saying that the White House is not the place for on-the-job training, the critisms I mentioned at top, and end with that simple slogan. That would be the main thrust of my campaign from now until November, so when people are staring at the names on the ballot, they think, "Obama... change, the future," and "McCain... ready to lead."
Posted by: mysteryperfecta
at August 24, 2008 10:26 AM
Is a man who may not be ready to lead more of a gamble than a man whose leadership is misguided and bad for America?
Posted by: Stella's Boy
at August 24, 2008 10:33 AM
Plus, I can't wait until McCain picks Romney and Obama can start running ads with all of the heated and nasty exchanges between those two guys.
Posted by: Stella's Boy
at August 24, 2008 10:34 AM
The most market tested Obama/Biden slogan I've heard yet actually came from a blog commenter: Change We Can Believe In, Experience We Can Count On
Kerry kind of played the "Ready To Lead" sloganeering himself, but it was "Ready To Serve". It is problematic both ways, as it brings into question why the one using it wasn't leading/serving beforehand.
Posted by: Tofu
at August 24, 2008 10:42 AM
"Plus, I can't wait until McCain picks Romney and Obama can start running ads with all of the heated and nasty exchanges between those two guys."
That works both ways. Personally, I'd prefer heated exchanges on policy versus my VP saying I wasn't qualified to be president.
"It is problematic both ways, as it brings into question why the one using it wasn't leading/serving beforehand."
Because they weren't president beforehand? I understand what you're saying; the slogan works better when used in the context of the opponent NOT being ready to lead.
Posted by: mysteryperfecta
at August 24, 2008 10:53 AM
Don't forget the Republicans' most devastating attack weapon: Food!
Clinton: Eats at McDonald's.
Gore: Fat.
Kerry: Wrong cheese on his Philly cheesesteak.
Obama: Drinks orange juice for breakfast.
And let's not forget the Very. Serious. Lawmakers who gave us "freedom fries."
Posted by: Cadavra
at August 24, 2008 11:48 AM
Mystery's right, that is the strongest attack for the Republicans to use at this point.
But I also agree with Stella: at this point, despite his extra couple of decades in Washington, there's no reason to believe that McCain is any more ready to lead. He's an out-of-touch hothead who wants to see how many more wars he can get us into.
Posted by: jeffmcm
at August 24, 2008 12:41 PM
Also, Chappaquiddick isn't relevant to the subject I was addressing (a Senator's choice of career and source of income).
Plus, if you were an alcoholic womanizer, you just might behave the same way...
Posted by: jeffmcm
at August 24, 2008 12:48 PM
Biden is a great choice. He got what? A thousand votes in Iowa before dropping out? He really rallied the base.
Was he the choice before or after he called his running mate and future boss "clean" and not ready to be Prez?
Maybe it was the fact that he sticks his foot in his mouth at every opp he gets or he plagirizes.
I guess the whole Change thing is over since he wants a guy who is a DC lifer and didn't change anything in 35 yrs.
Real out of the box thinking from the Change candiate. politics as usual I guess
Maybe Bill Ayers for Sec of State
Posted by: Josh
at August 25, 2008 07:19 AM
Josh with today's Fox News Talking Point.
Posted by: Stella's Boy
at August 25, 2008 08:14 AM
So what is the best criticism the right can come up with concerning Biden? He's outspoken and 20 years ago he got busted for plagiarism. Excuse me while I laugh my ass off.
Is outspokenness a serious liability here? Let me think. No.
As for Biden plagiarizing 20 years ago, of course plagiarism is bad, but it hardly makes someone unfit to be VP and it hardly makes them a bad politician. Plus, the right repeatedly makes excuses for far worse offenses by politicians (the Justice Dept. scandal, torture, lying to the American people to justify war, etc.) yet is outraged by, of all things, plagiarism that happened two decades ago. Can you say credibility gap?
Honestly, if this is the best the right can do, they are in trouble. Romney is not the answer here.
Posted by: Stella's Boy
at August 25, 2008 09:45 AM
How is plagiarizing speeches make someone fit to be one heartbeat away from the President? Why excuse behavior like that? There are thousands of qualified candidates. Obama just picked the one who has been in DC the longest and who has failed now twice on the national stage. This is looking way too much like Dukakis-Mondale in '88. And even Dukakis had a 20 pt lead at this point.
Obama has to making die hard Liberals scared. Everything points to a Democrat blowout at this point and he's losing in the polls? The guy has made gaffe after gaffe and shows no signs of stopping now. His daily position changes aren't helping much. He's the most liberal Sen in the Senate. Run like it! No one with a brain will believe he's anything near the center.
He can't run as a bi partisan candidate because that's McCain. Who actually has a RECORD of being just that.
Posted by: Richard Nash
at August 25, 2008 03:31 PM
Dukakis and Mondale never ran on the same ticket.
Posted by: jeffmcm
at August 25, 2008 03:34 PM
Richard, please stick to movies. There isn't an original thought in that post and you just embarrass yourself when you talk politics. So please stop. Go back to watching Fox News and reading WorldNetDaily.
Posted by: Stella's Boy
at August 25, 2008 03:35 PM
i just wanted to sneak in here at the mention of 'fox news' to say i've never watched it before in my life, but i was channel surfing a few nights ago during a nasty bout of insomnia and came across it in my cable package (i didn't even know i had it), wow those were a scary twenty minutes! not quite as scary as the evangelical christian channel but close. at least 'fox news' doesn't make any pretense at balance or try to disguise it's glossy yet smarmy right-wing zealotry, but it was shocking to me nonetheless; the banner across the bottom was a constant stream of obama-bashing and mccain-defending, i was embarrassed just to be watching it but it was like a car wreck, i couldn't look away!
is this the right thread to ask, is there still underlying concern about the importance of the now-biden vp selection due the possibility of some white-supremacist nutjob assassinating obama, or is that not mentioned in polite political discussion? i mean no disrespect or offence whatsoever. my mother, who's american (white/native american) and a die-hard obama supporter, is an old-school civil rights demonstrator who marched on washington with dr. king in '63, and she is quite concerned about the 'assassination scenario', but perhaps she's living in a by-gone era. i'm curious about wider opinion on the subject.
Posted by: leahnz
at August 25, 2008 04:59 PM
Leah, the story has developed to basically be a group of meth-heads who, if they were thinking of doing anything to Obama, were more in the 'daydreaming' mode than the 'operational' mode.
It's good, though, that something like this popped up in order to keep law enforcement on their toes.
Posted by: jeffmcm
at August 27, 2008 12:51 AM
yeah, i saw it on the news. disorganised, rifle-toting idiot meth-addict hoons are a worry, but it's that one highly organised and motivated crack marksman hell-bent on 'preserving white america' and fueled by a lifetime of brainwashed hatred that scares me.
I just hope so badly that obama will prevail, a man who by virtue of his intelligence, insight, integrity, positivity and perhaps even his unconventional skin tone might begin to heal the wounds inflicted domestically and internationally by the bush administration (that cadaver mccain would just be more of the same), lead the world in a more hopeful direction, and give every kid of colour the hope that they, too, with hard work and perseverance, can become a great leader. idealistic, i know, but we've got to start somewhere, change the paradigm somehow, and perhaps a young, black US president can get the ball rolling. you never know.
Posted by: leahnz
at August 27, 2008 04:58 PM
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