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September 01, 2008
Ack!
Unbelievable.
I... uh... oy...
I am actually beginning to feel bad for McCain.
Someone suggested to me the other day that, perhaps, McCain was actually committing political suicide, not just making an absurd choice for VP. I followed that thread of an idea and thought, perhaps he has eaten so much shit from the Rovians that the only way to get them back was to bring aboard the extreme right's "candidate of choice" and to watch the party burn.
But... dear God... can it get any worse? (Unfortunately, I feel another dropping shoe or three coming.)
It's all well and good to scream bloody murder about Kos giving a platform for the not-new rumor about where Palin's most recent baby came from. I knew about it. I didn't mention it. No legit journo did, nor did any mainstream outlets I know of, until Andrew Sullivan. But who could have imagined the McCain response?
To be perfectly honest, I still see this as an undetermined situation. Sorry. But all the coincidence - newly, the five month pregnancy that "rules out" giving birth five months ago - sets off my bullshit meter. I don't want to push the story. However, I do expect that some reporters with stronger stomachs will follow through on the story. For me, one or two confirmable, dated images of Palin pregnant this spring will shut the door on the conversation. But I still cannot find a single one. It is equally true that I have no firm reporting on whether the younger Palin actually skipped months of school or if anyone noticed the pregnancy or not. The problem with reporting on it now is that there will be endless and loud accusations of crucifying Palin simply by asking. As always, the loudest screamers are usually the least likely to be telling the truth.
Still... putting aside the more heinous rumor, Obama is scoring points all over this one. He is taking the highest road possible, getting even James Carville to say that this is all a non-issue. He is, of course, a politician. He knows this will be the end of the McCain effort. But he also knows that he doesn't need to be trying to shove McCain in his grave when he is doing a splendid job of doing it himself.
This is exactly the kind of thing, which Obama has displayed repeatedly, that makes me confident about the man's leadership. I believe he wants to be on the high road. And I think he also knows when saying nothing says everything. Anyone who really understands power knows that this is the most profound way of showing your power... by not showing it.
The simple reality is that we are looking at a VP option who got pregnant 6 months into her first statewide job on any level... and whose 17-year-old daughter has followed in her footsteps. Pat her on the back all you like for sticking to her anti-abortion principles, but this is not a show of good judgment. And it would not be a show of good judgment by a politician of either sex... since men are responsible for sex decisions too, right? Would you want any President dealing with 9 months of a pregnancy and a newborn while in office? Cry sexism if you must, but we aren't talking about the old saw about having a period or PMS once a month with her finger on the black box trigger. We're talking about a major life experience that, I would suggest, becomes a primary focus for all intimately involved, male or female.
And will the media ask the hard questions about the Bristol Palin pregnancy that was announced today - 3 days late, semblance of sanity short - like what position Sarah Palin takes on premarital sex, birth control, hands-on parenting, 17 year olds marrying, etc... with real follow-up questions, preferably by Gloria Steinem.
We should also be pushing hard on Palin's work with a 527 (specifically with Ted Stevens), Alaskan secession, what she actually has done as Gov (aside from selling a plane on eBay), TrooperGate, and even her reported support - unlike McCain - of windfall profit taxes on the oil companies.
The #1 issue remains... how could John McCain make this call without proper vetting, knowing or not knowing about some of these issues, and surely being aware of the most obvious issue... that without tap dancing a bullshit dance about "executive experience" versus experience, that this is the least qualified person ever to be on a major party ticket by a long, long shot.
This is the only issue that the Obama campaign will raise against Governor Palin. The rest will be left to a nation of people who really don't want to be a joke everywhere in the world... but especially in America First.
And you folks who have done so much heavy lifting for the right in other comment sections... thank you... and I will not mock you for sitting this one out. You really don't have to put yourself through it. We can discuss our disagreements about politics some other time. But the utter failure of John McCain's judgment here really isn't your fault, even if you will vote for the man in spite of it. You are, of course, welcome. But the McCain camp outing a 17-year-old's pregnancy days after nominating her mom - apparently without McCain's knowledge at that time - is just so rancid on so many levels... sorry... really...
But if you want to follow Tucker Bounds on the "I have nothing good to say here" debate team, you are welcome to...
Posted by poland at September 1, 2008 08:30 PM
Comments
What no one seems to want to say is that a vast portion of the voting public pays little or no attention to the newspapers, the internet media, or least of all the cable news channels. The ones that do are already in lockstep with one lame party or the other. The rest go with who they feel a connection with on a personal level. Who feels right. The senility/lack of experience on the one ticket vs the foot-in-mouth/inexperience on the other ticket, are entirely beside the point when it comes to election day. This kind of baby nonsense only makes the elephant more likable, and the talented spinmeisters are well aware of how to capitalize. I still think the election was decided culturally back in march, but this kind of stupidity might shake things up enough to make it a contest.
Posted by: martin
at September 1, 2008 09:31 PM
A lot of the Evangelicals are rallying around Palin, saying that Bristol's pregnancy shows that they're human and deal with family issues just like everybody else.
Thing is, I don't want everybody else running the country. I want the most exceptional. The best educated. Most experienced. Wisest judgment.
I don't want my next-door neighbor with his finger on the button. The president (or vice-president) is supposed to set an example, not be an example.
Palin's family issues are reminding me of the family at the beginning of Idiocracy that out-breeds the intelligent people...
Posted by: mutinyco
at September 1, 2008 09:41 PM
Mydd
"Who could have predicted that they would respond to the rumors by issuing a press release about Bristol being pregnant now?
That is totally unnecessary. They could instantly kill this story by releasing Sarah Palin's own medical records. There was no need to say anything about Bristol planning to have a shotgun wedding."
It's very,very odd. I'm with you, Dave. Something is just not right here.
Posted by: SmilingPolitely
at September 1, 2008 09:42 PM
Here's an important issue, what if they get elected and McCain has a stroke and dies, and she's having one of her "ladies' days" and nukes Iraq out of spite?
Posted by: The Big Perm
at September 1, 2008 09:51 PM
What I found odd is that their statement about the daughter's current pregnancy failed to mention anything about who the mommy of the baby in question was. No denial. No, "this is outrageous I'm the mother and here are the photos to prove it," etc.. None of that. Does this seem a little like The Contender, only not as sexy? If she's not willing to stand up now and say I'm the mother of this child then can we trust her on anything. Wasn't that the knock against Clinton a man who lies in his personal life will lie in his public life? Why would this woman, who seems to have more skeletons in his closet than Jeffrey Dahmer, sign up for this?
Posted by: tfresca
at September 1, 2008 10:15 PM
I guess I was hoping Palin sticks with McCain to help him lose, but if he does pick somebody else, it could be worse...
Posted by: christian
at September 1, 2008 10:26 PM
"A lot of the Evangelicals are rallying around Palin, saying that Bristol's pregnancy shows that they're human and deal with family issues just like everybody else."
That's awesome, but we've all seen the hubris of people who hold themselves up on high because of their religious beliefs, and wag a big finger at the heathens and their sexually active, educated, what-have-you, offspring. The whole "at least MY children are being raised with morals" attitude. I can't think of one instance when any of the folk who've done that came out and said "Okay, obviously I'm a total douche when it comes to parenting" when a family issue arises like this alleged one. Not that I really want that personally; but it would be the logical mea culpa if those were your standards.
"Evangelicals" - when the phrase "right wing Christians" just got so tiresome to repeat. This word pops up in so much lazy reporting, is it any wonder I still have to hear how the "media" doesn't get religion?
Posted by: Hallick
at September 1, 2008 10:31 PM
What phrase would you prefer? You've got the floor. Coin it.
Posted by: mutinyco
at September 1, 2008 10:35 PM
A little long-winded with a few digressions... so warned.
It has been stated above that the new story doesn't explain many of the issues with the old story. If Palin's daughter has a sudden miscarriage in the very very near future, then one can make their own conspiracy theories. But let us assume that the new story is true and the old story is not...
It's somewhat ironic that the first woman on a GOP presidential ticket immediately unloads a gender-specific soap opera story that would have been laughed out of any television pitch meeting (I wonder if this upcoming season of 24, featuring a female president, will touch on this at all). Regardless of how this all turns out, this is a major step backwards for the political conversation in regards to women holding the highest office in the land. I wish I could laugh at the hypocrisy, or giggle at John McCain's stunningly bone-headed selection. I wish I could smirk at how pissed off the far more qualified women in the GOP (Kay Bailey Hutchison, Liddy Dole, Condoleezza Rice, Christine Todd Whitman, Meg Whitman, etc) must be, that McCain went with this neophyte instead of them, and now within 48 hours Sarah Palin once again returned the national dialogue about female politicians to such tawdry sex-based issues. McCain and Palin have ironically made that glass ceiling that much thicker for whomever comes next.
But, in the end, this is about a person who accidentally got pregnant and made a choice to keep the baby. I certainly can relate. But the difference is that I had a choice, and I had the privacy needed to contemplate such a drastic choice. It's no secret amongst friends and family, but my daughter was conceived about a year before my wife and I were married. Truthfully, I found out literally five hours after I finalized my purchase of an engagement ring. In the end, we moved in together exactly on schedule, we got engaged on the day I had always planned it (well, one day late), and we got married last December, which was about when we had planned.
There was some standard hand-wringing for a few days, but it was an inevitable decision. We were financially secure adults and planning on getting married and having a family, so this was just putting the horse before the cart. When Allison asks the inevitable question someday, as she notices that she's in the wedding pictures or does the math, the answer will be easy (and understandable to anyone who's ever raised an infant): "No, sweetie," as we warmly chuckle, "we got married despite you."
It should be noted that this experience made me even more pro-choice. While I certainly have no regrets about our decision, and I certainly find it difficult, if not saddening, to imagine us making a different choice, I could never ever imagine anyone not being able to make that choice for themselves.
So, since I can have some empathy for the new mother in this situation, I will reserve my scorn to John McCain for potentially setting back gender politics by a good twenty to thirty years and by allowing someone who clearly lacks judgment to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. On that note, I wouldn't be surprised if Palin drops out in the next week, to be replaced by one of the women on the above list. I will give my scorn to Sarah Palin for making her daughter go through this under the spotlight of the entire world, knowing full well that her daughter and grand daughter will now be hounded by Star and US for the rest of her days.
And I will continue to criticize them for the hypocrisy of being pro-choice in their home, but working to take away choice in other people's homes. I will continue to criticize them for constantly supporting 'abstinence-only' education despite repeated studies that shows that it is less effective in preventing just the sort of situation we apparently have here. And I will hope that this current situation causes those on the Right to amend their own scorn towards others in this position. I can't help wondering how compassionate the GOP would have been had this happened to Chelsea Clinton or, in the near future, the seventeen-year old daughter of Barack Obama. Maybe this will show them the light in demanding that those who choose to keep unwanted pregnancies at least be given access to affordable health care, the kind that the Palin family will have. We can hope that something good can come out of this other than tabloid sleaze and gender stereotyping.
But to Bristol Palin, I offer only sympathies and best wishes. She'll need them, especially with this most private of moments being played out for constant commentary on the national stage. On the plus side, she'll hopefully discover that sometimes being violently beaten with a plastic coat hanger by a giggling assailant can be the best part of your day. Here's hoping that thirty-or-so years from now, my kid and her kid can face off on the political stage at a national level. I have no doubt that my kid can kick her kid's ass. But them, I'm a parent and thus a little biased.
Posted by: Scott Mendelson
at September 1, 2008 10:49 PM
This weekend, as we all learn about Sarah Palin, doesn't this feel like a yet to made Joel Shumacher political thriller? Plenty of unexpected twists and turns, but by the end of it, you feel gross and need to take a shower.
I was sad to see so many journalists give up on this Babygate story. I'm riveted by every new wrinkle that comes out, I really think something is up with this lady.
Posted by: Wonder17
at September 1, 2008 10:50 PM
The problem with the Babygate story is the same as with Clinton and Monicagate -- even if true, it's an understandable lie.
If the tabloids want to pursue it, fine. But principled liberals should not. There are so many other things, like Palin's membership in the Alaska secessionist movement, or her prior support of Buchanan for president.
Posted by: LYT
at September 1, 2008 11:10 PM
Bravo Scott.
Posted by: christian
at September 1, 2008 11:19 PM
The GOP is having a bad weekend, but America is getting it worst:
Following up on this weekend's extreme raids on various homes, at least 250 people were arrested here today in St. Paul, Minnesota. Beginning last night, St. Paul was the most militarized I have ever seen an American city be, even more so than Manhattan in the week of 9/11 -- with troops of federal, state and local law enforcement agents marching around with riot gear, machine guns, and tear gas cannisters, shouting military chants and marching in military formations. Humvees and law enforcement officers with rifles were posted on various buildings and balconies. Numerous protesters and observers were tear gassed and injured. I'll have video of the day's events posted shortly.
Perhaps most extraordinarily, Amy Goodman of Democracy Now -- the radio and TV broadcaster who has been a working journalist for close to 20 years -- was arrested on the street and charged with "conspiracy to riot." Audio of her arrest, which truly shocked and angered the crowd of observers, is here. I just attended a Press Conference with St. Paul Mayor Chris Coleman and Police Chief John M. Harrington and -- after they boasted of how "restrained" their police actions were -- asked about the journalists and lawyers who had been detained and/or arrested both today and over the weekend. They said they wouldn't give any information about journalists who had been arrested today, though they said they believed that "one journalist" had been, and that she "was seemingly a participant in the riots, not simply a non-participant."
Posted by: christian
at September 1, 2008 11:30 PM
Oh yes, Obama/Biden are taking the high-road, Chicago-style!
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/13004.html
It's not my fault...My staff did it!
You keep thinking that this is about Hillary or simply women...With every attack the GOP base is even more energized. McCain/Palin will endure MSM/liberal attacks and then it will be their turn. They haven't even fully unleashed their oppo on Obama/Biden, waiting for the first 'unwarrented' attack. This is it.
Q: How much of an agent of change or reform has Obama been in Illinois?
Posted by: leepe
at September 1, 2008 11:45 PM
The GOP base is a lot smaller these days.
McCain needs moderate independents. He lost them with Palin.
The RNC is a debacle and the fascism of the police and FBI aren't going to win them an election.
Posted by: christian
at September 1, 2008 11:51 PM
Leepe, I get the impression that all of your statements and questions are rhetorical, and therefore not demanding of any response.
Posted by: jeffmcm
at September 2, 2008 02:27 AM
Yes Christian, Bush only won because of the fascist police. Not because Kerry was a big fat zero and the voter margins were sooo slim. Keep thinking that. It's easier that way, right?
Hey guys, serious question...what if Palin becomes the VP and has a fight with her husband? You know how women can be real vindictive bitches, right? What if she tries to raise taxes to "get even?"
Posted by: The Big Perm
at September 2, 2008 06:17 AM
Follow-up to what Christian posted: There is now proof positive that the U.S. government was involved in the raids.
Naturally the Liberal Media are silent -- they are too busy fretting over New Orleans to talk about Fascism American Style.
Posted by: Chucky in Jersey
at September 2, 2008 06:24 AM
Even if Palin drops out, I still don't see how this doesn't reflect badly on McCain's judgment, which seems to be as hasty, faulty and as potentially dangerous as our current President.
Granted, many will vote for him anyway, but how can those not guided solely by strict political ideology see this as anything less than reckless decision-making?
Posted by: swordandpen
at September 2, 2008 07:20 AM
Most of the coverage this morning has shifted to questioning McCain's judgment and whether Palin was vetted properly.
The thing is, even if McCain did know about these things, why didn't he consider them to be the red flags that they've become?
Posted by: mutinyco
at September 2, 2008 07:58 AM
The same people who started the "Obama is a muslim - not an American" campaign are now yelling that mean old Obama is behind all the stories surfacing about this pregnancy etc
The same people who called Obama a traitor - are about to nominate a woman who belonged to an Alaskan seccesionist party - the pary of Abe Lincoln nominates a seccesionist - rich
No matter how much garbage comes out about Palin - McCain won't drop her - he isn't the type to admit to a mistake and it is too close to the election -
The babygate/teen pregnancy stuff is a red herring - keeps people from focusing on the real problems with Palin
David - appreciate your sensitivty in your comments
Posted by: cobhome
at September 2, 2008 09:05 AM
DP-
"Still... putting aside the more heinous rumor, Obama is scoring points all over this one. He is taking the highest road possible, getting even James Carville to say that this is all a non-issue."
What are you saying? Is Obama is taking the high road to score political points, or does he genuinely feel that this is a irrelevant issue, and that the rumor-mongering is out-of-bounds?
No such illusions as to which road you're taking. Enjoy the muck.
Posted by: mysteryperfecta
at September 2, 2008 10:34 AM
"But the McCain camp outing a 17-year-old's pregnancy days after nominating her mom - apparently without McCain's knowledge at that time - is just so rancid on so many levels... sorry... really..."
She was "outed" because leftists in the media were trashing her for being the mother of the child with Down's Syndrome. The truth was the only option. Is the trashing of her and her mother by the left also rancid? Oh no, that's just the search for "truth", something like that? And if they said nothing they would be accused of harbouring a secret. Seems to me like a lose/lose either way. The media got burned because they thought they had dirt that would hurt Palin with Christians and she would hide. She did not. Good for her. They will stick by her.
Remember, this girl will go through hell because leftists will put her through hell. Not her mother. Even Obama said to leave her alone. But the left won't. Because Palin truly frightens them.
As for McCain's judgement being off...like Obama's judgement in a divisive, insane, racist Pastor?...like his judgement in saying the surge didn't help?...like his judgement in having a relationship with Bill Ayers a known communist with staunch anti-American ideals?...I would like some hard questions asked too. I agree, those who do not want them asked usually have something to hide. What was that I heard about a Madrassa in the early 70's? Oh right...that was debunked. Do not ask hard questions. What is Obama's voting record on babies who survive botched abortions?
As for hypocrisy...
My God...My God...
Were Sarah Palin a liberal in the same situation the left would worship her for being a career mom, who stood by her preganancy and also for supporting her daughter...
Were Sarah Palin a liberal, the left would think any criticism of her that she should be a stay-at home mom as a step to the stone age.
Hypocrisy...again...like Obama saying he is his brother's keeper while his own half-brother lives in squalor? Shall I continue?
Hypocrisy...like his trying to cynically woo Christians and Catholics?
If the left wants to lose the election they should keep up with the disgusting rancid attacks on Palin's children and her value as a mother. Really, keep it up.
It is after Labour Day and we are still looking for that 10-15 point bounce. Both Kerry and Gore were further ahead of Obama at this point in their campaigns.
Truth is, the left must destroy Palin because she has lived a life that is far more in line with the average American (I'll even say North American) than Obama.
I can only say that the hatred that has been unleashed on this woman and her family in the past few days is clearly indicative of the left's fear of her.
If the left wants to lose the election, keep the attacks up.
Posted by: Nicol D
at September 2, 2008 10:53 AM
John McCain and Sarah Palin need to apologize to those commentators in the communist, fascist, satanist liberal blogosphere. We didn't force their hand and make them come forward with Sarah Palin's daughter's pregnancy. It was the National Enquirer that was fixing to out them!
From the National Enquirer: " The ultra-conservative governor’s announcement about her daughter’s pregnancy came hours after The ENQUIRER informed her representatives and family members of Levi Johnston, the father of Bristol’s child, that we were aware of the pregnancy and were going to break the news.
In a preemptive strike Palin released the news, creating political shockwaves."
Posted by: SmilingPolitely
at September 2, 2008 11:07 AM
"Truth is, the left must destroy Palin because she has lived a life that is far more in line with the average American (I'll even say North American) than Obama."
Nice prejudice there, Nicol. Sorry we can't all be bland enough to wanna have eight billion kids and shoot defenseless animals and shit.
And you can chastise "the Hollywood left" all you want (and you certainly do), but it's really no different than the my-way-or-the-highway groupthink in which you indulge. Christ, talk about towing the line: Your every post is identical to every one of those cornpone movie-hating loons on those laughable "conservative" film blogs.
Though that Govinidi Murty is pretty smokin'.
Posted by: LexG
at September 2, 2008 11:08 AM
Nicol: Read it and weep:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/109960/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Hits-50-First-Time.aspx
Apparently, the more that registered voters see of Palin, the more...
Posted by: Joe Leydon
at September 2, 2008 11:21 AM
LexG,
You know what, I will take your comments seriously.
"Your every post is identical to every one of those cornpone movie-hating loons on those laughable "conservative" film blogs."
On film blogs like Libertas or Dirty Harry's Place there are serious discussions of films as ideology. The people there post on film history. They talk about the works of Ford, Capra, Wayne any many more.
The reviews deal not only with the art of cinema but with the ideological implications of them.
We rarely if ever have those discussions here. Let's have posts on the top action sequences or top studios of a certain era etc.
Some people demonstrate a knowledge of cinema history...as much as JeffMCM may loathe me, I know he knows cinema history, so does Joe Leydon and some others...but many of the commenters here rarely display that knowledge and the views are whatever is the most common and pop at the time. Or perhaps they just do not have the opportunity because left wing film blogs are too obsessed with Obama as even Don mentioned a while ago.
Far form being cornpone and movie hating loons, the comemnters on the other sites love film with every fibre of their being. They talk about story and craft and history. The give credit where credit is due and hate when film is used as childish propaganda by leftists in Hollywood.
Quite the opposite, if the left-wing movie blogs displayed half the knowledge of film as the right wing blogs and neutral blogs we would be talking about Godard and Truffaut as opposed to a teen age girl who is pregnant.
I'm just sayin'.
Posted by: Nicol D
at September 2, 2008 11:30 AM
Joe, I'd think that bump is maybe less to do with Palin and more to do with Obama's recent speeches.
Posted by: The Big Perm
at September 2, 2008 11:36 AM
Joe,
No weeping...I actually still think Obama will win.
But it will be close and is not guaranteed.
Gore and Kerry were further ahead at this point and we know how that ended up.
Remember, I do not hate Obama...I actually think he's all right. His followers scare the bejeebus outta me though.
Posted by: Nicol D
at September 2, 2008 11:42 AM
Nicol D: I will grant you this -- we Lefties laugh at Palin at our own peril. As I have admitted:
http://movingpictureblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/for-sarah-palin-bashers-note-of-caution_02.html
Posted by: Joe Leydon
at September 2, 2008 11:50 AM
Nicol, the "ideological discussion" at most conservative film places I've visited (I am unfamiliar with the other one you mention but I have perused Libertas once or twice) seem to boil down to "liberal liberal liberal typical liberal, liberal liberal, liberal."
It's tiring, exhausting, and paranoid... and as laughably one-sided as any "leftist" film site. Any post or topic can be boiled down to "Hollywood hates our whitebread cornpone Christian lifestyle," or "this actor is pro the troops, so he's awesome!" or "This actor likes Obama, so he sucks!"
Yeah, some pretty worthy "debates" going on there, especially when mods blowse into people's posts when they don't agree with them and make notes and addendums. Nice.
But again, Govindini Murty is the Hotness so if you've got the hookup, pass that along.
Posted by: LexG
at September 2, 2008 11:55 AM
For the record, John Kerry was most certainly NOT further ahead in 2004 than Obama in 2008, post-DNC.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/bush_vs_kerry_historical.html
But all this national polling is pretty silly anyway. Didn't the 2000 election kill off, once and for all, the idea that the Presidential race is a national election? I guess not.
Posted by: Dunderchief
at September 2, 2008 11:57 AM
Actually, if memory serves me correctly, it was around this time in 2000 that some observers were proclaiming that it's all over, that someone should just stick a fork in Bush because he was done.
BTW: Here's a sobering thought: If the votes would have been counted properly in Florida eight years ago, we might now be in the middle of the final days of Al Gore's second term -- and getting ready for Democratic candidate Joe Lieberman to take on Republican candidate Jeb Bush.
Posted by: Joe Leydon
at September 2, 2008 12:13 PM
Bush was declared done both times her ran, as I recall. Once because he was going against Gore, and the second the Dems seemed to assume since he did such a terrible job, there was no way he'd be elected again.
Posted by: The Big Perm
at September 2, 2008 12:22 PM
Uh, and then there's the Republican owned Diebold voting machines in Ohio...
The USA is officially a proto-fascist police state.
If the loons put McCain/Palin in charge, I will leave the country. And find a smaller police state.
Posted by: christian
at September 2, 2008 12:33 PM
I tend to doubt that Lieberman would have fared any better, running for President, as an incumbent VP than he did as a former VP candidate in 2004.
Posted by: jeffmcm
at September 2, 2008 12:36 PM
"She was 'outed' because leftists in the media were trashing her for being the mother of the child with Down's Syndrome."
No, because the press digs up stories on anyone in that position. Let's not pretend that anyone on any side of the political fence would be given any different treatment if they were presented for high office with a story like this being concealed. Please. The vetting proccess is there to prepare campaigns for anything and everything that can come to light. The story that's driving all of this is that the McCain campaign comes off as wholly unprepared for these little surprises, which goes to whether they'd done their research. Which is an important factor in deciding who should be president.
But after a year of Wright, Ayers, Tuzla, and Rezko (following a several-year load of blowjobs, Whitewater, and Paula Jones), you really have to have your head in the sand to say that the press does anything apart from rushing to where there's blood in the water. It's what they do and the more sensational the story, the more play it's going to get.
You out yourself up for one of the two top jobs in the country, you're going to draw fire. End of story.
Posted by: L.B.
at September 2, 2008 12:39 PM
I hadn't heard of the secession thing, I wonder if that'll get any traction. Didn't know such a movement even existed. Anyone know anything about it? Are there people who really want independence or is this some kinda bs ploy to extort more money out of the fed like when a franchise owner threatens to move the team if the city doesn't build him a new stadium?
I would say that just because a person's hs daughter got knocked up doesn't disqualify her from being VP on the grounds of poor judgment. There does seem to be a bit of selfishness though. Yes it's not me facing the choice but I think I would've turned down the nomination at the time, if for no other reason than to protect my family. I understand if she felt the op may never come again. While there still would be criticism 4 or 8 years from now but there could've been some positive proof that things worked out or shown how they were able to manage w/her own infant. If things weren't so great, then they spared a lot of embarrassment and hurt to people.
I do find it a little disparaging the matter-o-fact-o-life attitude that's being put forth on the issue of teen pregnancy. Some praise the decision to keep the baby but either way I still think these and far too many kids f-ed up. Sadder still is the willingness to throw collective hands up in the air over the matter. Any option presented is grossly ridiculed by an opposing side and various sides blame others for why their plan isn't working. Childcare, healthcare, schooling are all held up to the light but nothing's being addressed. Just a buncha how dare you's tossed about.
Not to make myself out to be so self-righteous and nobody knows me but I signed up to be a mentor. I would like to challenge the intelligent minds who read here to be part of the solution in whatever form you see fit.
(feel free to yank this post if out of line - thx)
Posted by: Triple Option
at September 2, 2008 01:43 PM
Nicol, you mentioned "leftists in the media" who "were trashing her for being the mother of the child with Down's Syndrome."
I would very much like for you to provide some links to these leftists in the media who were trashing her for being the mother of the child with Down's Syndrome. Thank you.
Posted by: Eric
at September 2, 2008 01:44 PM
Jeff,
My question and statements are not merely for effect.
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/June-2008/The-Friends-of-O/Making-Peace/
Barak Obama is not a reformer or an agent of change, he is the worst sort of politican from Chicago: A "City Hall Man".
I still stand by my question and challenge others to answer. What change has Senator Obama brought to Illinois?
Posted by: leepe
at September 2, 2008 01:54 PM
And I stand by my position that you don't really want an answer.
Posted by: jeffmcm
at September 2, 2008 02:09 PM
Leepe, if you're really interested, you might want to look into the law that Obama fought for that required the videotaping of police interrogations in murder cases. It was initially opposed by legislators in both parties as well as the police.
Take a look and let us all know if that doesn't satisfy your curiosity about change that Senator Obama brought to Illinois.
Posted by: Eric
at September 2, 2008 02:22 PM
Apparently the GOP is trying to stymie the Troopergate investigation, suggesting that the legislature doesn't have the authority to conduct the investigation, as well as Palin's attorney informing the investigator that because of the campaign she might not be available for an interview...
Posted by: mutinyco
at September 2, 2008 02:31 PM
"If the votes would have been counted properly in Florida eight years ago, we might now be in the middle of the final days of Al Gore's second term"
You mean to say, if the votes had been counted the way Al Gore wanted them recounted. Bush won in every other scenario.
Personally, I hope the attacks and the left's marginalization of Palin continues. It will create low expectations that can be more easily exceeded in a debate.
Speaking of low expectations, DP's confidence in Obama's leadership is confirmed by his ability to do the politically expedient thing? He must long for the days when the Clintons did polls and focus groups before making any decision.
Posted by: mysteryperfecta
at September 2, 2008 03:15 PM
The way I always considered Florida in 2000 is this:
If we were watching that election taking place in another country, and the state that determined the election was governed by the brother of the winner (by several hundred votes), would we even think twice that something fraudulent had occurred?
But we don't. Because this is America. And the things that happen in other countries never happen here...
Posted by: mutinyco
at September 2, 2008 03:22 PM
Not to mention the archaic voting system that disregarded the nationwide popular vote.
Posted by: jeffmcm
at September 2, 2008 03:24 PM
Mutiny, if I had been watching some other country's election and all of that was going on, and I saw the footage of people holding the cards up to the light squinting at them, trying to make out which hole was pressed, I would have found that pretty sad. Florida was an obvious fuck up, but I tend to think it had more to do with a whole lot of incompetence than evil fascism. Was there major Repub fighting for Bush, including his brother? I'm sure there was. But the Democrats were at it too.
And everyone can cry about the electoral college except that's the way it's always been. You want to abolish it I'd probably be fine with it, but you can't change it after the fact.
I hope Christian is making a joke in his last post. If so, funny!
Posted by: The Big Perm
at September 2, 2008 03:41 PM
No, I'm fairly serious. The GOP police state can pretty much bust you when and how they want to -- all with the help of Bush's terrorist task force which includes vegan groups as potential Taliban. Or you can be tasered to death. I'll tell you sometime how a well-known, respected local business owner and gentle soul was assaulted by a cadre of LA's finest thugs, manhandled, threatened with death and arrested for merely pulling over to let the police do their job.
It can happen here.
Posted by: christian
at September 2, 2008 03:58 PM
I'm not suggesting fascism. Just that it would look kinda funny.
Posted by: mutinyco
at September 2, 2008 04:01 PM
"Bush's terrorist task force which includes vegan groups as potential Taliban."
This part was the joke, right?
Posted by: jeffmcm
at September 2, 2008 04:24 PM
It's just that, christian, in the last blog entry I mentioned whiny Democrats and used the "I'm leaving the country" line, and then you used it here. Which is why I hoped you were being ironic.
And mutiny, I agree. It is funny. But as fucked up as that whole situation was, I don't think any outcome wouldn't have.
Posted by: The Big Perm
at September 2, 2008 04:25 PM
Follow-up to that video above. McCain just cancelled a planned interview with Larry King because he was unhappy at the way CNN's anchor treated Tucker...
Posted by: mutinyco
at September 2, 2008 04:58 PM
If I were the Dems I'd play that up as an example of McCain's nasty temper...
Posted by: mutinyco
at September 2, 2008 05:13 PM
'Nasty temper' will be meaningless until McCain is caught on camera saying or doing something pissed-off (which I do expect to happen sometime in the next two months).
Posted by: jeffmcm
at September 2, 2008 06:20 PM
Lay the groundwork...
Posted by: mutinyco
at September 2, 2008 06:26 PM
Yes, I want an answer and have been partially provided by it. Thank you, Eric.
My main worry is how much of the Chicago Machine is within him.
Just take a look at the state of Illinois politics.
I do not want our mess to spill out to the rest of the country, that is all.
Posted by: leepe
at September 2, 2008 06:42 PM
Is this what they call a 'concern troll'?
Posted by: jeffmcm
at September 2, 2008 06:49 PM
I am not hiding behind a pseudonym. This is not an anonymous post. You should have a record of my login info and tracking of my posts.
I find your film critiques helpful and insightful.
I am voicing my concerns about my senator.
I believe you are calling me an agent provocateur. That is too much praise, I am just a reader of your blog.
Posted by: leepe
at September 2, 2008 07:22 PM
Pardon me, I defer to David Poland as the actual owner of this blog.
But yes, from the tone of your posts, I personally take them as disingenuous provocations. If that's not the case, sorry.
Posted by: jeffmcm
at September 2, 2008 07:43 PM
Rezko = Suckmydicko
If you have an allegation to make, make it. Otherwise shut the fuck up.
Posted by: mutinyco
at September 2, 2008 08:14 PM
Mutiny: 'ey that's some fierce statements, but they are understandable... 'ey. So you can question your senator and all. While we can question you and your lameness... 'ey.
Posted by: IOIOIOI
at September 2, 2008 08:37 PM
triple - I don't pull posts.
I don't know what's really in Obama's heart. All I know is that strategically, "taking the high road" is easily the winning choice.
And I don't think this is all rumor mongering at all - and as I wrote, I heard about the baby switch rumor without Kos or Obama - because it goes to McCain's horrible lack of judgment here.
People can say that they don't want to infringe on the personal all they want... but teen mom daughter and all the rest all has a real effect on real people. And the more the Republicans spin, the more they shove the dagger into their own chests... because it is never the thing, it is the cover up. And all the spin sounds like nothing but lies, lies, and more desperate lies. They can't even come up with a consistent storyline.
And don't even get me going on the "father" of the child and his MySpace page...
Posted by: David Poland
at September 2, 2008 09:02 PM
How come when Republicans bitch all day and night on AM radio it's not considered "whining" when they are the biggest bunch of cry-babies ever?
Posted by: christian
at September 2, 2008 09:04 PM
Christian: they are the underdogs. Duh.
Posted by: IOIOIOI
at September 2, 2008 09:37 PM
Christian, do you have your plane ticket ready, just in case?
Posted by: The Big Perm
at September 2, 2008 09:43 PM
I have a soul brother in France waiting for me just in case. If McCain/Palin trump common sense, Adios Casabalanca!
Until I am called home to lead the revolution;]
Posted by: christian
at September 2, 2008 09:57 PM
This what we call in the business. Hold on. I will let the great Steve Matchett say it; "Game over... McCain Campaign." http://www.thedirty.com/?p=44465
Posted by: IOIOIOI
at September 2, 2008 10:30 PM
The freakin McCain campaign astound me with their lack of knowledge of the media age. It's as if they do not get that anyone sitting on their ass at home can VET a VP candidate. This is why people are trying to slag Biden, but he's FUCKING JOE BIDEN. It's like slagging the Duke. It's just not recommended.
So here's to the OMSAC being an OMSAC. Oh yeah; did you know he survived a POW camp? Did you? I just wanted to share that with you because it makes him leadership materal. In case you were wondering.
Posted by: IOIOIOI
at September 2, 2008 10:36 PM
Rezko??? There are much bigger fish in the lake, rhymes with Whaley. Even he hasn't criticized City Hall:
I believe Barack Obama will be president, the opposition is a mess. I am just a wary Chicagoan hoping some of that direction for change will hit locally.
Posted by: leepe
at September 2, 2008 10:40 PM
Yeah. Obama is totally going to forget Chicago and Illinois. Yep. Sure. It's going to happen.
Posted by: IOIOIOI
at September 2, 2008 10:50 PM
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