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October 24, 2008

20 Weeks To Oscar - Do Politics Matter?

Four years ago, it was one of our softest Oscar seasons.

Eight years ago, it was one of our best.

How much does the election matter?

2004 didn't seem terribly urgent, as the election went. As much as people wanted Bush out in this town, by this time of year it already seemed pretty unlikely that John Kerry had it in him to overthrow the W.

There was something rather retro about the season, with The Aviator, Ray, and Finding Neverland all set in the past; Million Dollar Baby feeling for all the world like a 50s period drama, and the only "current" movie was Sideways, which was, as most Payne/Taylor films are, kinda 70s.

Left behind were Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind, Fahrenheit 9/11, The Sea Inside, The Motorcycle Diaries, Collateral, House Of Flying Daggers, Bad Education, and others… none very comfortable.

On the other hand, 2000 embraced Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, Traffic, Erin Brockovich, and the more conventional Gladiator (and Chocolat…. oy). These were small, muscular movies that pushed the envelope on production.

Of course, Gladiator won. Whether that was about it being The Epic or just because the small movies knocked each other out, we have no way of knowing for sure.

The rest...

Posted by dpoland at October 24, 2008 02:03 PM

Comments

Don't you think VICKY CRISTINA BARCELONA will get a Screenplay nod?

Posted by: Goulet [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 24, 2008 04:41 PM

I think it should certainly be on my list.

Posted by: David Poland [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 24, 2008 04:54 PM

OT, but how sad about Jennifer Hudson. Respects go out to her and the family. How shocking.

Carry on.

Posted by: KamikazeCamelV2.0 [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 24, 2008 07:08 PM

Also, don't you think Winslet will be campaigned as supporting for The Reader. Considering the Academy's unwavering desire to reward category fraud I could see Winslet snagging two noms.

Posted by: KamikazeCamelV2.0 [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 24, 2008 07:20 PM

Personally I'd swap "Australia" out for "Milk". I don't know, I'm just not feeling it plus I consider "Milk" to be the most likely to be nominated film of this year.

Posted by: Roman [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 24, 2008 09:26 PM

Personally, I feel there's only room for one Broadyway-Film adaptation.

Posted by: KamikazeCamelV2.0 [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 25, 2008 07:07 AM

"Revolutionary Road" looks from the trailer like "Far from Heaven" crossed with "American Beauty".

"Milk" is out-and-out pandering -- play a sicko, win an Oscar. Name-checking in the trailer is another strike.

"Frost/Nixon"? Oscar-whoring in the poster, which says the film screams KILL IT WITH FIRE.

"Rachel Getting Married"? It's an SPC release, which wins points with the Academy but not with moviegoers. Plus the female lead has an ex-boyfriend who's going to prison for swindling.

Posted by: Chucky in Jersey [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 25, 2008 08:21 AM

Is Chucky calling Harvey Milk a "sicko" or Dan White? For my sanity I hope he's talking about Dan White because... well, if he's going around calling Harvey Milk a sicko... then hell hath no fury.

Posted by: KamikazeCamelV2.0 [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 25, 2008 08:26 AM

Where's the love for Tropic Thunder? I have expressed my opinion on RDJ and Ben Stiller before, but what about Best Original Screenplay? I mean, if Beverly Hills Cop could get nominated, why not?

Posted by: doug r [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 25, 2008 08:39 AM

Chucky - so far Anne Hathaway seems to have come through her ex-boyfriend's scandal unscathed (I've never seen any accusation of culpability on her part). You honestly think enough voters know or care about his troubles to affect her chances at a nomination?

As for Milk, I would imagine the Oscar potential of the Dan White role was about number 10,000 on the list of "Reasons We Need to Make This Movie." If the potential is there in the end result, then sure, the marketers may run with it, because awards can boost box office, especially for a film with limited commercial appeal.

In what world are there people who say, "Hey, a film about Harvey Milk! Sounds awesome! Oh wait -- Oscar whoring in the ads. Never mind." Chucky's world.

Posted by: yancyskancy [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 25, 2008 09:24 AM

Re-reading Chucky's post, it occurs to me that he may be suggesting Hathaway's ex-boyfriend troubles are affecting "Rachel's" box office, not its Oscar chances. If so, I don't agree with that either.

Posted by: yancyskancy [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 25, 2008 09:27 AM

The Oscar voters are a reactionary bunch and they don't like to reward anyone who's buddy-buddy with a criminal element.

Ex-boyfriend troubles are not affecting "Rachel Getting Married". Distribution is. "Rachel" is not even in the AMC Empire in Times Square.

As for "Milk"? A lot of anti-gay people hold positions of power in the U.S. I may not have that P.O.V. yet I know a lot of gay-bashers want to force their worldview on everyone.

Posted by: Chucky in Jersey [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 25, 2008 10:13 AM

Gay-bashers usually just need a good lay.

Posted by: waterbucket [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 25, 2008 11:00 AM

Christ, Chucky, just admit you were wrong and act like a mensch for once in your online life.

Posted by: jeffmcm [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 25, 2008 11:36 AM

Rachel doesn't belong in the AMC Empire.

The idea that anyone is checking to see how many stage-to-film conversions there are is delusional... not like only one musical or only one indie comedy or only one period drama...

And Beverly Hills Cop was a true phenom when it came out, it was the sixth highest grossing film of all time (higher than Empire Strikes Back), the biggest comedy of all time, and the biggest r-rated film of all time. Tropic Thunder isn't even the biggest comedy of this summer... or the second biggest.

Oh yes, an BHC was a great movie... not a sucky movie... and even if you loved it, try finding someone over 50 who dd... and then match your findings to The Academy's history. When you find that nomination for American Pie (a much better script), give me a call.

Posted by: David Poland [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 25, 2008 11:57 AM

Dave, why not have Christopher Nolan on your list for directors? I think that if the movie manages to snag a best picture nod, then it will probably get a directing one too.

Posted by: Aladdin Sane [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 25, 2008 12:19 PM

He should be on the list... true 'nuf.

Posted by: David Poland [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 25, 2008 03:04 PM

Yeah, or if Dark Knight is snubbed for Best Pic, Nolan might get a consolation nod, especially if Gran Torino doesn't deliver.

I see Mike Leigh near the bottom of the list, and I'm wondering if he could score another left field nod like he did for Vera Drake (I couldn't find an '04 prediction chart, but wasn't he a bit of a surprise that year?).

Since I'm not in the prediction game and have no cred to lose, I'll go out on a limb and predict Fincher, Boyle, Van Sant, Nolan and Leigh. I'm sure to change my mind a few dozen times after the year end releases get reviewed and/or honored with critics' awards.

Posted by: yancyskancy [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 25, 2008 04:49 PM

David, the AMC Empire DOES play arty product. I've been there on many an occasion since it opened 8 years ago.

The Empire opened "Synecdoche, New York" and "Changeling" this week. If that theater isn't playing "Rachel" it's likely getting turned down by SPC.

Posted by: Chucky in Jersey [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 25, 2008 04:51 PM

Dave, considering that stage-to-film adaptations haven't exactly been going that well this past decade when it comes to Oscar I don't actually think that two suddenly great ones will pop up this year. I wasn't saying people will not vote for one simply because they voted for the other, but that they won't vote for one because one is simply not good enough.

But, you know, that's the good thing about OPINIONS. People have difference ones to you. It's what makes the world go around.

Chucky? What the fuck are you on about? Who cares about gay-bashers in positions of power when it comes to a MOVIE and the ACADEMY? And I would still like to know if you're implying Harvey Milk or Dan White is the "sicko"? I don't know what you would've said the earlier comment if you meant Dan White since the movie isn't even about him and Brolin isn't exactly the frontrunner for the statue right now.

Posted by: KamikazeCamelV2.0 [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 25, 2008 06:10 PM

'"Milk" is out-and-out pandering -- play a sicko, win an Oscar. Name-checking in the trailer is another strike.'

'As for "Milk"? A lot of anti-gay people hold positions of power in the U.S. I may not have that P.O.V. yet I know a lot of gay-bashers want to force their worldview on everyone.'

huh? i gotta side with kam on this one, that was a bizarre response that made you sound like an even bigger tosser than your first comment

Posted by: leahnz [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 25, 2008 09:51 PM

I don't know what the AMC Empire is, but both Passengers and Rachel Getting Married are at the AMC Burbank as AMC Select choices, along with W., Religulous, Appaloosa, The Duchess, etc.

Posted by: yancyskancy [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 25, 2008 09:57 PM

The AMC Empire is their 25-screen flagship on 42nd St. in NYC.

Posted by: Cadavra [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 26, 2008 01:21 PM

Kami - The idea that there won't be two good enough is quite a different argument than the idea that two could not be nominated.

I do think that Doubt and Frost/Nixon, while completely different in tone, both do carry a certain stagey nature... as did The Queen, btw. Both will launch for the press, etc, in the next week and we'll have a better sense.

Posted by: David Poland [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 26, 2008 07:30 PM

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