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October 22, 2008

O'Reilly Hated This...

I just caught up with last night's O'Reilly Factor and he and his two blonde sidekicks FREAKED OUT about this video... abusive of the kids in it... claiming that accusations were outright lies... etc.

Now... I think it would be possible for someone who agrees with the politics of the video to also agree that using younger women this way is not okay... so I put it to you all. I am really curious whether it is just people who see how powerful this piece is wanting to kill it or if they have a point that resonates with some of you.

Posted by dpoland at October 22, 2008 11:46 AM

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I watch the Factor every night, and Bill-O was kind of foaming about this... BUT WHO WAS THAT CRAZY-ASS BLONDE MEGAN KELLY???

That chick is WAY too intense; Her reactions made a Nancy Grace harangue look subtle. I see she's a host on "America's Newsroom"? GodDAMN, I gotta check that out; Could be some good entertainment there.

O'REILLY OWNS. "THE SPIN STOPS HERE."

Posted by: LexG [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 22, 2008 11:53 AM

The 'god' moment is a little over-the-top, and the whole thing is definitely manipulative, but it seems effective and inoffensive to me.

Posted by: jeffmcm [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 22, 2008 12:00 PM

And also wanted to say that O'Reilly and the ladies were taking the position that these kids are too young to know what they're saying, and thus it's some form of abuse for adults and parents to foist their own political views on children too young to understand the issues.

Er, isn't that what parents DO? Is that really much different than taking a kid to church and indoctrinating them in a certain faith before they're old enough to research it for themselves? Isn't it the same as a kid being signed up for some kiddie football league before he's old enough to realize he's a baseball man?

I don't consider that stuff "abuse," and I doubt Bill or the two hens would either... just typical parent stuff where you inherently try to shape your kids in your own interests and down a path you'd like them to take; As they get older, they probably find their own way.

Granted, maybe the intensely adult level of discourse and partisanship in the ad is above the girls' comprehension level, but in the end how is it different from some pageant mom entering her daughter in those creepy pageants, or some ambitious stage parents sticking their kids in commercials for ANYTHING?

Posted by: LexG [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 22, 2008 12:04 PM

What struck me, watching the video itself, after listening to them, was that very few of the girls in the piece actually speak to specific details and just say, "Please don't undo everything they fought for," and the women who speak about rape in Alaske seem significantly older than some of the others.

Posted by: David Poland [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 22, 2008 12:17 PM

What you said about taking kids to church reminded me of this moment with O'Reilly on The View, Lex: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPxOGKghd2Q

Posted by: CaptainZahn [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 22, 2008 12:21 PM

Personally, I don't see it as offensive. Manipulative, yeah, but it's a campaign ad.

Of course, anything that pisses of Bill O is golden in my book.

Every time I see him, or some other right-wing pundit going apeshit over something like this, it always makes me think of Liar, Liar.

"Your Honor, I object!

Why?

Because it's devastating to my case!"

Posted by: storymark [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 22, 2008 01:02 PM

Not sure what specific rights would be revoked if we sent troops back to Iraq or what ones where gained there in the first place. It's not something to be proud of. It reminds me of the commercial nike did with the girls and young women saying "if you let me play..." and then they'd list stats and examples of how beneficial it can be to a young woman's development to participate in athletics and team sports. It was convincing and encouraging. This was just a bash getting a buncha young girls to call Sarah Palin a sellout. It didn't really prove sh#t.

Plus, there was something so odd/borderline vomitous about the one girl saying if she gets raped she and her parents should decide what she should do w/her body next...I can't quite put my finger on it. There's this huge divide of singular horrific events that's being skipped over to put the blame on someone who hasn't done anything yet besides state an opinion. It's like the whole thing she's mad at would be the possibility of having to carry a child through to term if raped and then blaming the VP. Now if she was wanting to lessen penalties for sex offenders or issue a series of statements or programs whose sole purpose was blaming the victims, then yeah, I'd get it but we're not even to that. It's like me being pissed at the govt that I can't buy plutonium from the Russians in case I wanna build a nuclear bomb in case aliens land and wanna take over my land.

Posted by: Triple Option [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 22, 2008 01:54 PM

I agree with the others here that its manipulative, but I think it too much so to be effective. In fact, I think more people might be put off by the ad than those who might find it effective. Will people be offended? Eh, maybe some. Using young girls in this context feels a little unseemly.

I'd feel the same way if there was an ad featuring young girls that said, "If I get pregnant, Obama doesn't think my parents have to find out" or "If I was born after a botched abortion, Obama would let the doctor kill me."

Posted by: mysteryperfecta [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 22, 2008 04:32 PM

If you're going to put together an ad like this, you gotta be a genius and do it perfectly, or else you wind up with the resulting embarrassment on display here. That was like forcing down some bad clams in the middle of a bout with food poisoning. Bleechhhhh. Nevermind that aiming an ad at Sarah Palin is about as important as aiming one at Alan Keyes.

Posted by: Hallick [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 22, 2008 07:04 PM

Fuck O'Reilly. Make he drown in his own saliva.

I liked the video. I don't see anything wrong with it NOR do I see how it's any different from any other political ad.

Posted by: Roman [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 22, 2008 08:37 PM

yeah, yeah, O'Reilly's a jerk, but this ad is the is the kind of righteous crap that drives people away

imagine the flip side - an ad with young girls saying, "don't murder my little sister before she's born!".

Posted by: Bob Burns [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 23, 2008 06:40 AM

I could definitely see this putting off republicans who are leaning toward Obama. As well as being manipulative and kind of creepy, it's shoddily done. And those who said it above are 100% right when they say if this was a Republican ad, Democrats would be fit to be tied. It's kind of weird too, that the premise of the ad is that she WILL get into office.

It's also a bad move to be going after Palin. Isn't Obama running against McCain? They are just underwriting Palin's 2012 campaign for president.

Posted by: westpilton [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 23, 2008 11:31 AM

The best thing the dems could do right now is underwrite Palin in 2012, she is a dream Opponent for the dems. She excites her base and no one else.

We are still going to be in some tough financial straits when the next campaign gears up and Romney is poised to present himself as the 'shoulda been' candidate, but his weakness is the portion of the republican base that is drawn to Palin.

Posted by: hcat [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 23, 2008 11:49 AM

Oh, please. Anyone remember Dan Quayle's spectacular run for the presidency in '96? I got money sez Palin doesn't even get re-elected governor in '10.

Posted by: Cadavra [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 23, 2008 09:50 PM

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