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April 12, 2009
15 Days Sober
The experiment of me banning myself from comments is at its half-way mark about now.
As with a movie that one feels like one "gets" at the halfway mark, the question of the second half of the experience is an unknown, no matter how obvious it might feel.
The most interesting thing I have noted so far is how boring inside blog baseball stuff is, as I take a deeper, longer breath, trying not to take it personally. Me responding to it has to be even more boring.
I am also more cognizant of the phenomenon of one commented demanding attention and then others - sometimes the same one - accusing me of obsession or self-involvement when I choose to respond to that original demand. I'm not sure there is an answer to this problem that is not more extreme than the problem.
The experience has also cemented the sad reality that some of this blog's commenters... well... to paraphrase William Shatner... they need to get a life.
And the vast majority of you - each one of you representing thousands of silent readers - contribute interesting and thoughtful stuff, whether you agree with me or not and whether you express yourself passionately or calmly.
This is, by my design, an open house. I don't want it to be anything else. But if this was real life, and you were all in my house, there are about a half-dozen of you who I would feel compelled to ask to leave... not because you are so challenging to me, but because you are irritating gits who spend more of your time trying to figure out how to control the party than socializing civilly with the other guests. (An alternative take would be that some of "you" are morons... but I choose not to go there.) Of course, most of "you" would probably just sit in the corner and suck your thumbs, hoping no one noticed you if this was real life, so "you" wouldn't irritate, just take up space. I doubt any of you would have the balls to piss on the floor and try to rub the host's face in it whenever possible.
Honestly, I wish those 5 or 6 of you would just go away. And if you took the few thousand readers you represent with you, great. But that's not going to happen. Nothing is ever that simple.
And so... a couple more weeks of thinking about it.
Posted by dpoland at April 12, 2009 08:32 PM
Comments
I'd never piss on hospitality DP.
Posted by: Jeffrey Boam's Doctor
at April 12, 2009 11:29 PM
Wow, that was particularly nasty, in a Shatner-on-SNL "Get a life!" kind of way that's not undeserved. Of course, it must suck to host a forum where people feel the need to treat it as some kind of creative writing seminar or open mic night, and tend to derail a lot of conversations into spastic, nonsense proclamations that essentially amount to "Notice me!"
What also must suck is knowing you're one of those 5 or 6 people and have your bullshit so bluntly called out like that.
Posted by: lazarus
at April 12, 2009 11:52 PM
Really, 5 or 6?
That seems a BIT high. I can think of maybe 1 or 2.
Posted by: LYT
at April 13, 2009 12:05 AM
So the effective result of this experiment so far is, we've gone from a long-running open sore to a weekly tearing-off of the band-aid. Which was not, I don't think, the goal.
Posted by: jeffmcm
at April 13, 2009 12:20 AM
The Hot Blog Nerd Herd just owned by Poland hardcore, and professional schoolmarm Lazarus is all high-fiving himself that somehow that shit was aimed exclusively at the Lexes of the blog.
I'll give Jeffymac credit for being smart enough to probably detect where the bulk of that was coming from, but that shit sailed over lazarus' zero-self-awareness ass like the fucking Concorde.
Posted by: LexG
at April 13, 2009 12:31 AM
"An alternative take would be that some of "you" are morons... but I choose not to go there."
Oh, and - good thing you didn't go there! That was a close one!
Posted by: jeffmcm
at April 13, 2009 01:01 AM
Am I one of those people? Because I actually have a spine and don't think idiots should be given free reign no matter who's running the joint. That's kinda what I'm getting from this.
Posted by: KamikazeCamelV2.0
at April 13, 2009 02:13 AM
I agree with jeff. DP hasn't really banned himself from comments, he just responds to comments in blog entries. A positive consequence is that he doesn't get goaded into rebukes as often; the negative is that when he does, we get bloated responses like the one above.
Posted by: mysteryperfecta
at April 13, 2009 06:20 AM
Agreed with mysteryperfecta-- the current approach highlights the intra-blog squabbles more than ever before. Devoting entire posts to these arguments calls attention to them in ways that periodic responses in the comments do not.
Posted by: Eric
at April 13, 2009 08:41 AM
As one of his critics, let me say that I for one am proud of Dave. He's trying to improve himself. And while he may not take the usual route to this, at least he's trying. (I'm sure that deep down he knows the Shatner quote applies to him too. This IS his home and all we do is follow his lead.)
We believe in you, Dave. Only a half a month to go and you'll have burned 50kgs of blog induced psycho-snark off your body -- and just in time for summer. Believe me, you'll need the extra room in your snark-belly for the Wolverine weekend alone.
Yoo can doo et!
Posted by: Crow T Robot
at April 13, 2009 08:59 AM
David is being waaaaay too sensitive here. He has plenty of folks not trash-talking him, and of those, I can only count one or two, depending on context.
If David wants to argue for this brave new media, stepping away from its construct in petulance is not the way to advertise. Come back David.
Posted by: christian
at April 13, 2009 09:46 AM
"But if this was real life, and you were all in my house, there are about a half-dozen of you who I would feel compelled to ask to leave... not because you are so challenging to me, but because you are irritating gits who spend more of your time trying to figure out how to control the party than socializing civilly with the other guests."
Well, David, if you really feel that way, why don't you name those half-dozen people? Seriously. And then we'll see how many of us... er, how many of them take the hint and leave, and how many just can't bear the thought of leaving?
Posted by: Joe Leydon
at April 13, 2009 10:10 AM
You really think he needs to name them, Joe? Seems pretty obvious who the Hot Blog 6 are.
And I for one, don't particularly like your absense in comments, David. I come here for the spirited and (usually) intellegent debate. I like it better when you're in the trenches with us and responding. But, I also know how frigging exhausting and frsutrating that can be.
Plus, when you comment later in posts it feels almost....condescending. Maybe that's not the right word. Maybe more...us -vs- them. I dunno, I guess it feels like a blanket statement(s) in response to commenters and in a way it feels less personal and more accusatory/overly sensitive. If that makes sense...
Posted by: don lewis (was PetalumaFilms)
at April 13, 2009 10:25 AM
There's also a difference between regulars who occasionally give David a hard time (which he may or may not deserve), and posters who only show up with the specific intent to give David a hard time and are absent from any other discussion.
I mean, hell, even Don Murphy has stuff to say that isn't David-centric most of the time when he posts.
Posted by: jeffmcm
at April 13, 2009 10:35 AM
"If that makes sense..."
I know what you're saying, and this particular blog entry is a perfect example of it-- the 'ivory tower' posture. DP has literally retreated from the commoners- I mean COMMENTERS- and sits in judgement of us.
Posted by: mysteryperfecta
at April 13, 2009 10:47 AM
Don Lewis: Ok, I'll bite: Who do yout think are The Hot Blog 6 are?
And on a related subject: Did IO, like, get a job or something?
Posted by: Joe Leydon
at April 13, 2009 11:43 AM
I see I wasn't the only one to notice IO's absence.
Posted by: Blackcloud
at April 13, 2009 11:47 AM
Maybe he's saving himself in reserve until Wolverine comes out.
Posted by: jeffmcm
at April 13, 2009 11:50 AM
I've got five dollars down that I'm NOT in the 6.
Posted by: LexG
at April 13, 2009 12:20 PM
The funny thing is, Lex is probably right.
Posted by: jeffmcm
at April 13, 2009 12:22 PM
Hey DP, have you ever thought about getting a forum for discussions rather than using a comments section of a blog? It might actually lead to more substantive back and forths and eliminate the pissy one liners that make up most of the comments here. I'm a longtime reader of your blog, but I find the comments section to be barely tolerable most of the time.
Posted by: montrealkid
at April 13, 2009 12:31 PM
It looks like we noticed IO's absence at the same time. That's funny!
As for The Hot Blog 6, here are my guesses: Jeffrey Boam's Doctor; maybe Don Murphy; Nicol D, although DP wouldn't admit it was because of politics; uh oh, that means maybe me; I've decided that IO is definitely on the list; Devin Faraci; a_loco has been on DP's cases lately.
Was it just me, or did anyone for split second think that DP was referring to actual sobriety with the headline (before reading any further, obviously).
Posted by: mysteryperfecta
at April 13, 2009 03:38 PM
I feel like a Black Panther now.
I would have thought Joe Leydon is a dead cert for inclusion to the Hot 6 for his incessant and unwanted need to espouse about his virtuoso pussy gobblin' abilities alone.
Posted by: Jeffrey Boam's Doctor
at April 13, 2009 03:47 PM
Yeah, that list is waaaaay off. Based on what he's written in the past, I think DP's Hot Blog 6 consists of:
jeffmcm
jeffmcm
jeffmcm
jeffmcm
Joe Leydon
jeffmcm
I don't know why DP hates one of the more civilized and consistent commenters around here-- who can be a bit of a nag, but not any worse than the rest of us-- but man, he does. Dave fucking hates Jeff.
Posted by: Eric
at April 13, 2009 04:19 PM
I apologize for my nagging.
Posted by: jeffmcm
at April 13, 2009 04:24 PM
It probably comes across as nagging just because you're so regular in your posting, which would otherwise seem merely questioning.
(I didn't mean to be harsh, and in fact I agree with you most of the time. Love you, buddy.)
Posted by: Eric
at April 13, 2009 04:47 PM
K-Tapley's gotta be in there ahead of the relatively scarce/harmless Nicol D or even IO.
If I were Leydon (and I am not recommending this approach), I would make it a point to post about the numbers for "21" TWICE as much after an edict like this.
Disappointingly, Chucky in Jersey probably didn't make the cut, though if we're talking "adds nothing to anything, ever" he'd be #1 with a bullet.
Posted by: LexG
at April 13, 2009 04:48 PM
My name is Joe Leydon, and I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT when David makes a box-office prediction as off as the ones he made for 21 and Valkyrie. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT when David pretends to be Mr. Insider and posts DEMONSTRABLY ERRONEOUS information about Variety. (As recently as three weeks ago, actually.) And I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT when one of David’s dorkier fave-raves, like Speed Racer or Phantom of the Opera, TANKS in theatrical release, and he must scramble to find fault with their sales campaigns. Never mind that I never actually saw Speed Racer or The Phantom of the Opera, and that people whose opinions I respect really and truly enjoyed them. I am so goddamn PROFESSIONALLY JEALOUS of David, I want ALL OF HIS GODDAMN PREDICTIONS TO BE OFF. I want ALL OF HIS GODDAMN FAVORITES TO FAIL. There is ABSOLUTELY NO GODDAMN REASON ON EARTH he should be so successful AND be married to SUCH A SMOKIN’ HOT BABE.
And while I’m at it: I ABSOLUTELY LOVE to read the drunken late-night rantings of Lex G and the deranged name-check rantings of Chucky in Jersey. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE to imagine T.HOLLY and LEAHNZ in scanty attire while they type their postings BECAUSE THEY ARE SO OBVIOUSLY SMART AND WITTY, and therefore ARE SEXY AS HELL. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE to read posters who treat Jeffmcm like the PUSILLANIMOUS LITTLE TWINKIE he is. (Remember: This is a dickweed who told us that The Last House on the Left was a better movie than The Virgin Spring.)
But more than anything else, I ABSOLUTELY LOVE TO EAT PUSSY. I think any heterosexual male who DOESN’T love to eat pussy is a COMMUNIST. (My gay male brethren get a blanket dispensation, just as I hope they give me a blanket dispensation for not really ever developing a taste for sucking cock.) I think if there’s anything tastier than pussy, GOD KEPT IT FOR HIMSELF. You lesbians know what I’m talkin’ ‘bout, right? And I think any heterosexual male who doesn’t go out of his way to CELEBRATE eating pussy, and to THANK every woman who has allowed him to eat her pussy, probably doesn’t get many OPPORTUNITIES to eat pussy.
God, I am getting so freakin’ BUZZED on MERLOT – the only thing on God’s green earth that comes anywhere near tasting as good as EATING PUSSY – that I’m channel surfing right now, looking for hot babes whose pussies I WOULD LOVE TO EAT. Hey, look – Rachel Madow. Damn. I would LOVE to eat her pussy. I bet it tastes like AMBROSIA. And I bet you she could give me some EXCELLENT pointers…. Aw, I should live so long. Excuse me, I have to go find my corkscrew.
Posted by: Joe Leydon
at April 13, 2009 07:20 PM
Sorry about the late response...
"The Hot Blog Nerd Herd just owned by Poland hardcore, and professional schoolmarm Lazarus is all high-fiving himself that somehow that shit was aimed exclusively at the Lexes of the blog.
I'll give Jeffymac credit for being smart enough to probably detect where the bulk of that was coming from, but that shit sailed over lazarus' zero-self-awareness ass like the fucking Concorde."
Ironic that you would talk about self-awareness (or lack thereof), when you are certainly not one with a proper perspective on the subject. But I guess when you use someone else's site as your personal therapy session, subjecting everyone to your whiny jerkoff and tub-soak of self-pity, someone who comes here just to talk about film may seem a bit obtuse.
DP certainly isn't perfect (none of us are), but he has every good reason to snap once in a while considering the idiocy that goes on here. To be fair it does seem better as of late, and that includes you, Lex, if I can say so without sounding patronizing.
Having said that, I can't wait for DP's subsequent post where he collects your $5.
Posted by: lazarus
at April 13, 2009 07:23 PM
"twinkie"?
Posted by: jeffmcm
at April 13, 2009 07:24 PM
Oh, and I'm happy to reiterate my view that Craven's Last House is better than Bergman's Virgin Spring.
Posted by: jeffmcm
at April 13, 2009 07:26 PM
You know that Kate Bosworth, the babe in 21? If she weren't young enough to be my daughter, I might think she's hot.
Posted by: Joe Leydon
at April 13, 2009 07:31 PM
oh! joe, just so you know i ALWAYS wear a string bikini while posting on the hot blog, but i simply cannot condone you drinking merlot, did you not see sideways?!
(i think the '5 or 6 people you would like to kick out of your house' remark was sorta mean spirited, dp; whether it's me or whoever, by not speaking your mind and being open, it just makes everyone wonder if it's them you hate, and that's never a good feeling when you're freeloading in someone's house)
Posted by: leahnz
at April 13, 2009 07:36 PM
Kate the Boz Bosworth is HOT AS HELL.
Joe, talk about the barbecue sauce!!! Do the thing with the barbecue sauce!!!
You cannot stop him!
Posted by: LexG
at April 13, 2009 07:40 PM
Joe- Your lex-rant is hilarious. I thought of a humorous prod aimed you and your age and circumstances surrounding a certain predilection that I am too dignified to share, but it is quite witty, believe me.
Posted by: mysteryperfecta
at April 13, 2009 07:41 PM
Oh, Leahnz, you tease. Just for you, I might have a glass of Pinot Noir now and then.
BTW: Anyone remember what great under-rated '80s movie this is from: "They were having a sale on Cabernet Sauvignon..." Give you a clue: Think of a Local Hero star...
Posted by: Joe Leydon
at April 13, 2009 07:43 PM
Joe the thought of you licking the inside of a five day old Filet-O-Fish®, while YouPorn flickers on your monitor as your greasy fingers find your fly while guzzling enough Merlot to blank out reality....... well its just too much for me to handle.
Posted by: Jeffrey Boam's Doctor
at April 13, 2009 07:44 PM
Yikes, JBD for the win.
(And that's with no small amount of admiration for Joe's rant)
Posted by: jeffmcm
at April 13, 2009 07:45 PM
OK, Mystery, you must go ahead and share. Please.
And yes, Lex: Pussy and barbecue sauce is divine. But only if the lady doesn't mind my slathering it about her nethers.
Posted by: Joe Leydon
at April 13, 2009 07:48 PM
JBD: To make fun of eating pussy is human. To actually eat pussy is divine.
Posted by: Joe Leydon
at April 13, 2009 07:53 PM
Ok now that all woman have permanently left the building, who's in for some bear love?
Posted by: Jeffrey Boam's Doctor
at April 13, 2009 08:00 PM
intentional singular usage.
Posted by: Jeffrey Boam's Doctor
at April 13, 2009 08:01 PM
JBD: As my father once said -- after a gay shipmate volunteered to donate blood for my mom's medical treatment after his straight shipmate buddies weaseled out: It's better to suck cock than kiss ass.
Posted by: Joe Leydon
at April 13, 2009 08:04 PM
Generally, Joe, it was about you liking the flavor because it tastes like mint Super Poly-Grip.
Posted by: mysteryperfecta
at April 13, 2009 08:06 PM
Mystery: LOL. Well, whippersnapper, I don't know what THAT tastes like. Yet. But at the rate I'm going....
Posted by: Joe Leydon
at April 13, 2009 08:11 PM
As one of the 'thousands', as Dave puts it, who rarely or never post, this thread explains why. I agree with some of the regular readers that this blog has become an embarassment to movie dialogue. It has nothing to do with Dave's writing focusing more on New Media, or how Hollywood is responding to change. He has always been making arguments (correctly in many instances) about how the old guard is behind the times.
The thousands aren't posting because they get sick of the regulars having inside jokes and posting lists of who they think Dave hates the most.
And I'm sure the first thing everyone will say is "If you hate it so much, why do you keep reading?"? For me, it's the same thing as seeing a filmmaker I really like have a couple duds. I've been reading Dave for so long that I thought he would be way above continuing to bicker with the LexG's of the world. For those of you in this blog that provide great commentary and new ideas (where are you Dave?)-I welcome and appreciate you (and I wish we had a separate discussion area where civility was the norm-like Ebert's blog)!.
And Dave-if you are reading this-you have always responded to my (limited) comments with intriguing arguments and thoughtful responses. For the thousands of readers you claim that visit and never respond to your blog-why do you think that is? Could it be that the same 10-20 people post every week, and bully everyone else away?
I understand that part of your sabbatical is to distance yourself from those people, but you must realize that they are the 'core' blog audience. The "thousands" are being driven away by the people that annoy you the most. What do you plan to do with them?
I would never visit Nikke Finke's site except that you keep referencing her terrible journalism. To me, the only thing worse than her nasty attempt at gossip-journalism, is the people that leave comments on her blog. But lately, and especially since you left, the people leaving comments on your blog sound eerily similar.
If you want an example-go back and look at your last fifty posts-especially the ones where it seems like you put the most thought and effort into (including talking about Variety, New Media, why Nikke Finke is terrible as a journalist, etc.) You will notice that they have the least number of comments (in many cases, zero)!
The people who regularly comment don't seem to care about those things, yet you keep writing about them. So, either you have some evidence that the 'thousands', like me, really care about those things and don't respond, or you don't give a shit what your regular posters think. I hope it's the latter, but I think you should at least give yourself the option to jump into the fray when it is warranted.
This 'month off' thing seems like a cop-out from telling some posters they need to head over to Wells' blog permanently (where ideas go to die), or express some real ideas. In my world, you're acting like the boss who had too many employees complaining about the way they do their job, so taking a month off is better than explaining to the employees exactly why they aren't in charge. You're better than this Dave.
Posted by: Jack Walsh
at April 13, 2009 08:32 PM
Jack surely this thread is exactly where inane chatter from the regulars should fizzle and die?
I agree that its a shame when good topics get derailed by childlike taunts and posturing but a lot of this sort of argy bargy happens in threads like BYOB which I thought was a place for regulars to chat about anything that comes to mind. No matter how banal and puerile that may be to your sensitive eyes.
The best way to keep threads active and interesting is for the silent majority (apparently they exist but like Bigfoot without proof) to contribute something instead of apparently being one seething mass that throws darts at photos of Jeffmcm.
This isn't Cahiers Du Cinema.
It's a blog. It's the only blog I write on and I do sporadically if at best. Today has been my most prolific day ever. A movie blog for me is the equivalent of a bunch of people who meet at a film festival and start throwing down opinions. As the beer and wine flows it gets louder and more opinionated. The Hot Blog condenses the pleasantries and just heads straight to the shouting sometimes.
Just because people don't respond to some of DPs well researched and thought out pieces doesn't mean they don't appreciate them.
This would be an extremely dull blog if you asked the regulars to leave. It would in fact just wither away. DP knows this as well as anyone. He also knows that most of the time these personalities are inflated and are hyper versions of reality.
And while we're being honest, its not just 5-6 people DP would never invite into his house, its 99% of everyone here and that includes you silent Jack. And thats not because he keeps refusing to meet at Foxes Den at TIFF each year either ; )
Posted by: Jeffrey Boam's Doctor
at April 13, 2009 09:03 PM
Joe, I agree about the pussy.
Posted by: doug r
at April 13, 2009 09:32 PM
"I wish we had a separate discussion area where civility was the norm-like Ebert's blog"
Sorry to keep this inside-blog-baseball stuff going on, but here's another question - what is it that Roger Ebert is doing in his blog that's different from what David Poland is doing here? I mean, there are no institutional differences, both seem to be heavily trafficked...
I have my own ideas but I'm curious to hear anybody else's.
Posted by: jeffmcm
at April 13, 2009 09:44 PM
To all the people who don't post simply because they don't like some of the posts here:
If you want the kind of posts you'd like, YOU NEED TO POST THEM. Period.
What are you afraid of? Being the subject of an obscene Lex tirade? I was the subject of arguably the biggest one of all. Yet I'm still here, and he and I get along.
If you want to post, post. If you get insulted and don't like that, IGNORE THE INSULTS. If it gets out of hand, David will usually step in. I generally don't get into flamewars because if a thread gets too combatative, I move on to the next one.
Blog commenting 101, people.
Posted by: LYT
at April 14, 2009 12:47 AM
Hell yeah, Lou fucking owns.
In sharp contrast to the negativity, here's 10 other random people on this blog who I like:
1) Leydon
2) Poland
3) Yancyskancy
4) christian
5) dietcock
6) EOTW
7) scooterzz
8) leahnz
9) Lota
10 movieman
And catch me in the right mood and I'll concede McDouche isn't even that bad.
Posted by: LexG
at April 14, 2009 01:01 AM
I don't comment on a lot of the industry insider stuff - as much as i occasionally really love reading it - is because I don't really feel informed enough to do so and there's generally not much to add to the discussion that David has already said.
If I have something to say I'll say it, if not... well, I'm not going to just talk random shit for the sake of it.
In regards to IO... is he aware that I have returned from my vacation? He did disappear when I left, yet he hasn't returned. It's pleasant in that regard.
Posted by: KamikazeCamelV2.0
at April 14, 2009 04:27 AM
I fear IO may have run afoul of some gang on the mean streets of Memphis. Revenge for all the mofos he's capped over the years.
Posted by: yancyskancy
at April 14, 2009 09:26 AM
I heard some aliens shot him with laser beams. It's hard out there for a pimp, in the realistic world of something like Watchmen.
Posted by: The Big Perm
at April 14, 2009 11:19 AM
"I fear IO may have run afoul of some gang on the mean streets of Memphis. Revenge for all the mofos he's capped over the years."
you 'fear'.....many 'pray'......
Posted by: scooterzz
at April 16, 2009 01:45 AM
After catching up on this blog, the comments are by what make it great, though I would agree there are some that are better than others. But you have a connection and interaction with readers that a lot of blogs would love to have.
I don't have nearly the same on my The DigitalSmartFrames / BLOG – The Blog for Highly Rated Digital Frames.
So I would be careful what you wish for.
Posted by: ashleyv
at August 8, 2009 02:35 PM
Fuck you too, Lex. I'll try to give you a harder time from now on.
IO is busy watching G.I. Joe, over and over and over, all weekend long. He hasn't moved from his seat since the Friday morning show. He'll eventually turn up with a detailed critique of how the costumes differ from the cartoon.
Posted by: frankbooth
at August 8, 2009 02:56 PM
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